So I'm Going To Mix My First Live Band This Weekend With The X32 & I'm Looking For...

Lance Richens

Lance Richens

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some help configuring the board. Granted, I've done at LEAST 100 shows on my analog gear, but I'm just beggining in the digital realm. I'm hoping there might be some folks here willing to help me do a basic setup for this weekend.

The inout's will be:
1. Drums Left
2. Drums Right. These are Roland TD-12's
3. Bass guitar (direct out of amp)
4. Electric Guitar Left (xlr out of amp)
5. Electric Guitar Right (xlr out of amp)
6. Cliff (vocal) sm-58
7. Perry (vocal) sm-58

I will also be controlling three wedges from foh & would like to put geq on each.

Geq on L-R for "mains" eq.

Reverb, delay, compressor, & any other suggested efx on vocals.

I will also be plugging in my laptop for break music & I'd like to record the shows on memory stick via the usb in the top of the board.

If any of you would like to help I'd be forever grateful. Hell, you could call it an eagle scout project or just good karma building.... ;)
 
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Lance Richens said:
some help configuring the board. Granted, I've done at LEAST 100 shows on my analog gear, but I'm just beggining in the digital realm. I'm hoping there might be some folks here willing to help me do a basic setup for this weekend.

The inout's will be:
1. Drums Left
2. Drums Right. These are Roland TD-12's
3. Bass guitar (direct out of amp)
4. Electric Guitar Left (xlr out of amp)
5. Electric Guitar Right (xlr out of amp)
6. Cliff (vocal) sm-58
7. Perry (vocal) sm-58

I will also be controlling three wedges from foh & would like to put geq on each.

Geq on L-R for "mains" eq.

Reverb, delay, compressor, & any other suggested efx on vocals.

I will also be plugging in my laptop for break music & I'd like to record the shows on memory stick via the usb in the top of the board.

If any of you would like to help I'd be forever grateful. Hell, you could call it an eagle scout project or just good karma building.... ;)
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First suggestion is use the other two outputs on the td12 ...
split it up
ch 1 Kick
ch 2 snare
ch 3 cymbals and hats
ch 4 toms
 
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Yes, good idea. I'll see if the drummer is willing to go that route. It would definetely give me better control......
 
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second suggestion is to read the manual!

i will be using one for new years and imagine most basic questions i might have will be addressed there.
 
Will you have some time on it first? I'll be training a client on it in a couple weeks. Spending an hour pushing every button so to speak covers most of it, which is the best way I have found to go from clueless to advanced in very short order.
 
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That's what I've been doing today & I am getting familiar. I think the most important thing is setting up to run monitors form 3 of the subs. Making sure they are routed to the first three analog out's. I've been watching the Behringer webinar's today s well. I was hoping for some "well I'd do this" & "try this" type of answers to this thread.....
 
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I think one of the reasons why you don't get a lot of suggestions here is because what you are proposing to do is so straightforward that hardly anything is needed to be done. When you power up, you have your basic effects there, room, hall, delay and chorus good to go, just set up the sends from the vocal channels and you're done.

Now, assign analog out 1,2,3 to bus 1,2,3 and your monitors are nearly set. If you really insist on the geq there are two ways depending on whether you'll be needing guitar amp inserts for the guitars and bass. First, assuming you won't need the inserts for anything else, I will suggest you use fx5L dual geq for monitor 1, fx6L dual geq for monitor 2 and fx7L dual geq for monitor 3 (you can then stay on page1 of the fx screens for all three monitors) and use fx8 stereo geq for the mains. Now, if you'll be needing some inserts for guitar and bass, you don't want to be so wastefull with the available effect slots, and will have to dive deeper into the screens for adjustment to one of the monitors. I like to put a soft knee limiter on top of the monitors, just to take the edge off any sudden feedback (ratio 100, knee 3,4 or 5, treshold so you just get a very slight hint of compression on the meter in normal operation)

To keep things simple and avoiding page-swapping, assign three DCAs to the monitors and four to the fx-returns.
DCA1 - fx1l, fx1r DCA2 - fx2l, fx2r etc.
DCA6 - mon1(bus1), DCA7 - mon2, DCA8 - mon3

Route everything to the top 16 channels (you'll likely be plugging PC into aux5&6, but route it to channel 15&16)

Make clear labels for all channels, buses and DCAs that are in use, (I prefer to ditch the graphics in most instances and just go with naming and colors)
 
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Ok.
I've got the channels labeled, routed to subs, subs to dca's & routing to analog out's is set. Could you take me through putting efx & eq's on the channels & subs?
 
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I won't be running any efx on anything but vocals for this gig. I figured out how to assign the geq's. Now I just need to figure out how to put efx on the vocals....
 
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Efx on vocals should be fairly easy if you haven't changed anything from the factory setup. You have reverb on 13 and 14, delay on 15 and chorus on 16. The fx-returns are routed to main LR, and both the bus mastersends and the fx-returns are by default at 0dB. Quickest way to set up the effect sends are normally to use sends on fader, so if you have your chan1-16 selected on the left fader bank and Bus9-16 selected on the right bank, select bus 13 - then <sends on fader> - then pull up the faders on the vocal channels, and you should hear some reverb. Same for bus 14-15-16. You can also use the sends-on-faders the other way around, select a vocal channel first ->sends on faders> and then adjust the faders on the buses you are sending to

As far as effect usage goes, Christian Boche explains his settings somewher in the X32 thread, maybe if you have time to search a bit you'll get some hints.

Edit: Here is one post: http://soundforums.net/junior-varsity/4393-x32-discussion-71.html#post36611
 
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I dont even have a behringer and I can already do this stuff.. manual and youtube for the win...
 
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I appreciate your help & patience Per.
Here is how I've set things up:
DCA1: drums DCA2: guitars DCA3: Vocals DCA4: Drum Wedge DCA5: Bass players wedge DCA6: Guitarist's wedge
Bus1: Drum wedge Bus 2: Bass players wedge Bus3: Guitarist's wedge
Bus13: Reverb Bus14: Delay Bus 15: Chorus Bus 16: Stereo DeEsser
On the effects page: FX 1 to bus 13, plate reverb. FX2 to bus 14, Stereo Delay. FX 3 to bus 15, Chorus. FX4 to bus 16, Stereo DeEsser.
FX5 to bus 1, Dual GEQ. FX6 to bus 2, Dual GEQ. FX7 to bus 3, Dual GEQ. FX 8 to Main LR, Dual GEQ

Does this appear correct?
 
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"My solution, that is not specific to the X32 or any other hardware, is to use an RTA on my laptop, connecting the input on my laptop to the headphone out on my mixer. It is not a perfect solution in pure audio terms, but works well enough for RTA where some slight imperfection doesn't really show up on the trace."

Would you mind sharing a link to the rta you are using?
 
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Lance Richens said:
"My solution, that is not specific to the X32 or any other hardware, is to use an RTA on my laptop, connecting the input on my laptop to the headphone out on my mixer. It is not a perfect solution in pure audio terms, but works well enough for RTA where some slight imperfection doesn't really show up on the trace."

Would you mind sharing a link to the rta you are using?
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I use Voxengo SPAN: Real-time audio spectrum analyzer plugin (AU, VST) - Voxengo SPAN - Voxengo running inside SAVIHOST: SAVIHost
 
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Lance Richens said:
I appreciate your help & patience Per.
Here is how I've set things up:
DCA1: drums DCA2: guitars DCA3: Vocals DCA4: Drum Wedge DCA5: Bass players wedge DCA6: Guitarist's wedge
Bus1: Drum wedge Bus 2: Bass players wedge Bus3: Guitarist's wedge
Bus13: Reverb Bus14: Delay Bus 15: Chorus Bus 16: Stereo DeEsser
On the effects page: FX 1 to bus 13, plate reverb. FX2 to bus 14, Stereo Delay. FX 3 to bus 15, Chorus. FX4 to bus 16, Stereo DeEsser.
FX5 to bus 1, Dual GEQ. FX6 to bus 2, Dual GEQ. FX7 to bus 3, Dual GEQ. FX 8 to Main LR, Dual GEQ

Does this appear correct?
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There is no right or wrong of course, and how you use the DCAs is entirely up to your taste in mixing preferences.

If you are using a de-esser, you really need to do that as an insert in a subgroup or as inserts on the individual channels. In this case, with only two vocals and enough slots available, I'd suggest just inserting a dual de-esser into the two channels. On the effects page, you select "Insert" instead of "Bus16" on effect 4, and then on ch6 and 7 you select Fx4L and Fx4R respectively as the inserts.

Fx4 should now be completely removed from Bus16 and have no dependence to that bus, but the FxRTNs for Fx4 might still be active in some capacity, you just have to test, either it affects the return level to the insert point, in which case it must be up, or it has no function or sends an independent return straight to main bus, in which case it should really be down.
Sorry, haven't tested the first four slots as inserts.

For Main L/R GEQ I'd prefer using stereo GEQ as I would never realistically get around to tweaking the two sides independently, but that is just me ( I wish there was a way to link and unlink the two channels of the dual geq so you could have best of both worlds)
 
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I also setup a DCA fader to serve as a "master fader" for my fx busses. Gives me a quick and easy way to adjust FX volume. I have all 4 busses linked, but you could do just one or two if you wanted. I just wanted a quick way to kill vocal FX when they stop singing and talk.
 
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Jared Koopman said:
I also setup a DCA fader to serve as a "master fader" for my fx busses. Gives me a quick and easy way to adjust FX volume. I have all 4 busses linked, but you could do just one or two if you wanted. I just wanted a quick way to kill vocal FX when they stop singing and talk.
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If you're short on DCAs I've found a mute group on the FX returns is also handy for when they start talking.

Cheers,
Ryan.
 
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