So now what?

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Here's one reason why I don't want to go back to using preamps that are not recallable.

I was frustrated by the lack of remote gain control when working for a wedding band. Each member had a variety of roles during a long set with lots of dynamic changes (it went from the "first dance" to "party like a rock star" and each member was also a multi-instrumentalist).

Between the changing of roles (from background to lead singer for instance) to the changing of instruments (the keyboard player was also the trumpet player, DJ and part time lead vocalist for instance) it was a challenge to keep dynamics well in hand.

If I had the X32 Rack or X32 full sized that I have now, back then, all of my complaints would have vanished. The outfit in question was awaiting the release of the X32 Rack so they could sell the Mackie digital mixer they were using back then. The Mackie worked, but the lack of remote preamp control made things more complicated than they needed to be.

Now that I have been using this technology for a while I can say that my life has become easier and I am more often a happy camper. With all the commotion on stage from constant moving about, it is inevitable that mics will get moved or that dynamic changes will be made on the fly by one of the musicians.

I am a performer and multi instrumentalist myself and I would prefer having access to my gain pots no matter where I may be at. I have too many memories of mixing analog where the mixer was stage side and I had to run back and forth between the audience area and the mixer to make the necessary changes (especially in the bars).

Now that everything is digital, I enjoy being able to fully control the mix regardless of my location. I have a gig coming up soon where I might be playing organ, bass guitar and drums in one set all the while controlling the rest of the mix. Having access to the gain pots with my iPad will be a great help. Without them I'm not sure it would even be possible.

As for the WiFi issue, I have yet to run into the kind of show stopping trouble that I hear about from others, and it does not bother me to use an iPad as the sole control surface. Whatever you choose, you should always have enough redundancy built into your system to keep the show from grinding to a halt. I carry an X32 full size, an X32 Rack and a 12 channel analog backup mixer. I still carry my analog snake in the van and I carry a laptop with Ethernet cables in case I must use a hard wired connection to control one of the digital mixers.
 
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As someone somewhere else said, "recallable gains are overated for a small live sound mixer", and I agree. The Touch Mix has scene/setup saving ability, but honestly, during a live gig we're all fussing with trim knobs when we soundcheck anyway. If the mixer can recall my normal channel assignments/config for the regulars I work for, fine.

Now for a sixteen channel amplifier with DSP that is only 1u tall and weighs ten pounds...

Best regards,

John
Hi John,

There are a couple of reasons that recallable gains" are very useful IMHO. The first is that you don't have to worry about the gain knobs being bumped around and changing things when the unit is transported. I have a friend that has a DL1608 and it is one of his biggest gripes. He does sound for his own band only and even in this capacity, recallable gains would be a very usable feature.

Second, as mentioned in another post, it is nice to be able to remotely mix. Part of being able to do that is being able to change the gains when someone gets silly with their input volume (or gets too quiet ...... like that ever happens ;) ).

As a general statement, I think that it is disingenuous to suggest that only a physical interface can be used as a professional level mixing platform. I know more and more local bands that are going digital ..... and going completely remote for mixing. My local "super church" has a pretty massive mixer; however, most of the feedback, monitoring and controls are done with PC's.

Wireless in general can be prone to serious issues, so I don't want to suggest anything different. I would say that I haven't encountered it in the last 3 months that I have been using my X32 Rack. Others I know that have been using the DL1608 for much longer have had only very minor issues with wireless, or none at all.

Sure, if you are playing a huge gig with thousands of people, you have a much better chance of having wireless interference, but is anyone here seriously suggesting that any of the mixers we have been discussing here would be used on such a gig?

Right now, using a good 5Ghz router and a set of high gain antennas is going to give you a very robust connection in almost all situations you will ever encounter with these small digital mixers. I would suggest that even in a huge venue, simply running CAT5e cable from the stage out to where you intend to mix and then placing your wireless router there would always result in a solid connection regardless of how many people in the crowd were using your specific channel of the 5Ghz band.

I believe that remote wireless mixing is the future. There will certainly be advancements in the technology which will make it more robust than it is today; however, even today the technology is solid enough that it is considered a must for many operators.

As for the Qu-16, I have only a little experience with it in a live situation. I really liked the layout and it feels quite solid. My only real gripe is that the channel VU meters are pathetic (only 3 and the top one means you are clipping). Having said that, the sound is fantastic, and if you can't make it sound good, it surely isn't the mixer.

The DL1608 vocal efx are not on the same level as the X32 and Qu (which are both fantastic in this regard).
 
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...success in this area is heavily dependent on having a top-quality router properly configured with the address hidden and all other parameters optimized to keep other devices from hitting on your connection. The only evidence I really have to support this is admittedly anecdotal, but if these things didn't work there wouldn't be anyone out there using them...and there are a LOT of people who do it successfully.

One biggie is to use a 5GHz router. The 2.4GHz band is getting way too cluttered, although since most smartphones can speak 5GHz too these days, it isn't as much of a help as it used to be.
 
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Dang. I was wondering why my MixWiz was so much trouble to lug around - just looked it up - the case is 40# by itself!!!
Road Ready - Road Ready Cases - Pro Audio - Pro Mixer Cases - Mackie - UNIVERSAL 19' MIXER CASE WITH RACK RAILS (FITS MOST 19' RACKMOUNTABLE MIXERS)

Does the SKB case fit the QU-16 better than it fit the MixWiz? I was not happy with the mods I had to make, hence the Road Ready.

Guess I won't sell the SKB... Had it for my old Mackie 1604. The QU is getting closer and closer to making it to my GAS NOW list...

Thanks for the slap upside the head, Dick. Sometimes I wonder just what I'm thinking. Then I realize I'm arguing facts not in evidence.


Frank...

Yet another casing hint:

I just finalized the fitting solution on mine. A couple of pieces of fairly stiff but still compressable 1" packing foam affixed to the bottom of the case directly under the "hook" of the Qu and (here's the brilliant part) two short pieces of 1/2" water line insulation foam on the pop-up frame, one on either side of the little canvas lifting tab. The pipe insulation is slotted for popping onto the 1/2" copper lines and so it "clicks" right onto the SKB frame.

Done and done.
 
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One biggie is to use a 5GHz router. The 2.4GHz band is getting way too cluttered, although since most smartphones can speak 5GHz too these days, it isn't as much of a help as it used to be.

I actually was so frustrated with this at one of our shows that I requested the standard "please turn off your cell phones and other wireless devices as they interfere with wireless microphone systems" message (which is another story in and of itself) be changed to "as they interfere with mission critical control systems."
 
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Frank...

Yet another casing hint:

I just finalized the fitting solution on mine. A couple of pieces of fairly stiff but still compressable 1" packing foam affixed to the bottom of the case directly under the "hook" of the Qu and (here's the brilliant part) two short pieces of 1/2" water line insulation foam on the pop-up frame, one on either side of the little canvas lifting tab. The pipe insulation is slotted for popping onto the 1/2" copper lines and so it "clicks" right onto the SKB frame.

Done and done.

Very good. I have the case, and now, a good fix for the fit. Now to sell off some surplus equipment, and run on down to Chuck's. Better get the camera out, and collect the items. Wife will be happier with less of my collection (crap) tying up the garage.

"...but I got a driver and that's a start"

thanks
frank