Speaker recommendation

Re: Speaker recommendation

Tim Timpone said:
I've got a really good price on a pair of QSC k12's......Do you think they would do a better job then the Mackie 450's?
Thanks
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No, it's a lateral move at best. While it may be a little better sounding, it is basically the same design. I would not consider them unless I did a side by side comparison with your Mackies first.

Conrad pointed out the QRX series, and this could work-the horn, while not a "large format" as Conrad states, is the next size up using a 1.4" throat design. The horn itself is not really any larger than the Mackie or QSC, but it is more powerful, and there is a bit more bandwidth extension on the lower end of it's response, which should help intelligibility over distance.

Are you really looking to invest in something better? What is your budget?

Also, get those taller stands first if you don't own them already. The nice ones from Ultimate, like the TS88B.

Best regards,

John
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Tim Timpone said:
What speakers and speaker stands are you using? How high can you get them with the stands? Thanks
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The k-12 on the crank stand was side coverage. The TV guys asked me to turn it off. The 4 mains on the lift are JBL MRX 525 with 70x70 horns. I realize it does not meet your criteria of fitting in a SUV I'm just pointing out that you can do high and loud at the events with thousands of people and someone will still complain that they cant hear well in the back.

In my case "back" is over 500' downhill. Delays would be nice. Maybe I can talk one of the 3 fire departments int letting me put a couple on their overhead booms... but they don't get there till shortly before start time.

Like everyone else is saying, get them up high... but you are still limited to the physics of sound.
 

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Re: Speaker recommendation

John Halliburton said:
No, it's a lateral move at best. While it may be a little better sounding, it is basically the same design. I would not consider them unless I did a side by side comparison with your Mackies first.

Conrad pointed out the QRX series, and this could work-the horn, while not a "large format" as Conrad states, is the next size up using a 1.4" throat design. The horn itself is not really any larger than the Mackie or QSC, but it is more powerful, and there is a bit more bandwidth extension on the lower end of it's response, which should help intelligibility over distance.

Are you really looking to invest in something better? What is your budget?

Also, get those taller stands first if you don't own them already. The nice ones from Ultimate, like the TS88B.

Best regards,

John
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How difficult is it to raise the 450's up to 9' using the TS88B?
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Tim Timpone said:
How difficult is it to raise the 450's up to 9' using the TS88B?
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I would suggest getting the TS99BL. They have a clutch that makes raising and lowering the speakers EASY, and they have one adjustable leg that helps with uneven ground. You will want to sandbag them. Another good option for outdoor S.O.S. is the Global ST-132.
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Tim Timpone said:
I've got a really good price on a pair of QSC k12's......Do you think they would do a better job then the Mackie 450's?
Thanks
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No, they have a wider vertical dispersion pattern, which results in more high frequency near compared to far.
If you use some crank lifts to get the cabinets high (like 15 feet) in the air, and a tilter to point the HF of the cabinets down at the furthest coverage point, you can get around 75-80 dB in the speech range from your cabinets at 300 feet.
 
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These are very loud and with the 60 X 40 degree horn have good coverage control to point the sound where you need it.

Yorkville

I have these and would use them for the kind of gig your talking about.
Douglas R. Allen
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Tim Timpone said:
I've got a really good price on a pair of QSC k12's......Do you think they would do a better job then the Mackie 450's?
Thanks
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Slightly better IMHO.

I agree with Mike Pyle's suggestion. A pair of ZXA5's would do it. As others have stated, get the speakers up high. I also think that the DSR112 might fit the bill. They are quite powerful for a powered 12" and will go farther than the K12's you are looking at IME.
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Tim Timpone said:
I've got a really good price on a pair of QSC k12's......Do you think they would do a better job then the Mackie 450's?
Thanks
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Like the others have said you need to do a side by side comparison test on the ones you named to see what you would be getting . but as others along with myself have stated , i would get those things over the heads of the people , doing a race like you are doing , IME , this actually works. you will tell a world of difference when you do. not saying that you can do it with just the 2 speakers after that but it will help a lot more than just setting them on the subs.
 
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I would think that JBL VRX932s would be what you want. Or a bigger line array if you have the budget. The more the merrier of course.
Mick Berg.
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Mick Berg said:
I would think that JBL VRX932s would be what you want. Or a bigger line array if you have the budget. The more the merrier of course.
Mick Berg.
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What would your thoughts be on having one of these 9 ft in the air along with my 2 mackies? Would the announcements reach 300'?
Thanks
 
Re: Speaker recommendation

Aaron McQueen said:
+1 Use a couple of these and get them up high for your long throw. Use your Mackie's still for background music and run the PA horns off an AUX for announcements.
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yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

will they sound good? no. but they will be intelligible from a long distance and won't require huge amounts on power. they're also relatively lightweight making it easier to find ways to get them way up in the air where they need to be....

oh, and they're not huge money to buy either...
 
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Yes, they could be affordable depending on a few factors. I don't know what the OP has for other gear besides the powered speakers he's mentioned. It's possible he's simply plugging a mic into the SRM450 and daisy chaining the signal to the other one.

I'm imagining an old Peavey "box" style powered mixer with a high pass filter mod feeding the internal power amp. Then he sends an aux out to the mackies for the close range stuff. Should be pretty cost effective. But I'm not sure of what yoke options are available and how hard it might be to add a stand adaptor for a tripod. I have used the small pipe n drape pegs screwed to the yokes of source 4s as a way to put one on a tripod speaker stand. But the Atlas is a much larger piece of gear.

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Tim,

The ZXAF would offer little, if any improvement over the SRM 450.

If you want some speakers specifically designed for long throw intelligibility, my Hyperboline prototype speakers are available at a very low cost, but require an amplifier.

Art
 
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