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<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 125833" data-attributes="member: 30"><p>Re: tall skinny speakers</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry-but either I did not get your message or was busy and forgot about it. Sorry it was the later.</p><p></p><p>Your suggestion does make any interesting argument.</p><p></p><p>The problem is that different instruments have different directivity factors. A violin is much more omni than a trumpet.</p><p></p><p>So there is no way a single loudspeaker could possible have a different directivity for each instrument.</p><p></p><p>So the best thing we could do would be to have the same directivity (or as close as possible) for ALL instruments.</p><p></p><p>You also have to consider what is the purpose of the sound system vs an instrument.</p><p></p><p>The instrument (no matter if it is a cello or an electric guitar) is to create a particular "sound". it is the goal of the sound system to reproduce that sound as goo as possible. Having a loudspeaker system that has as little interaction with the room (ie pattern control over a wide range of freq) is a good start towards that goal.</p><p></p><p>In my opinion-the sound system should not be part of the "creation" of the sound-only the reproduction of the sounds that are going into it.</p><p></p><p>So having a system that has a flat magnitude and phase response-pattern control (to help reduce the 'room effects") IS important.</p><p></p><p>Back in the day (mostly the 80s) I used a pile of JBL 2225s with 2445 drivers on 2380 horns. They worked well -or at least I remember them working well.</p><p></p><p>But then again my standards were different than they are now.</p><p></p><p>I would love to go back in time and listen to my old systems-as see if they were as I remembered.</p><p></p><p>Pattern control really matters when you are in a bad acoustic environment (reverberant or lots of echo) and trying to reproduce sounds accurately-especially speech.</p><p></p><p>Here is a link to an install that was done last week in a large live room. The recording was done on a hand held recorder at the back of the room. If you listen to the instruments you do not hear the room reverberation (specifically on the piano).</p><p></p><p>The speakers just on the inside of the large white columns in the room. They are darker in color and 5' tall.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ivan.beaver/posts/905929532769760" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/ivan.beaver/posts/905929532769760</a></p><p></p><p>So I guess the "real answer" is-it depends on what you are trying to achieve in a particular situation.</p><p></p><p>A famous speaker manufacturer (whose name starts with B and ends with E) made a fortune by making speakers that bounce sound all around the room-supposedly giving it more of a "live sound".</p><p></p><p>The problem is that the people who recorded the material did not want that extra sound in the recording-or they would have put it in.</p><p></p><p>And what about the actual live recordings (ie a mic out int he room) that have lots of the "room sound" included in the recording? When you listen to that material you will be adding MORE reflections to the recording.</p><p></p><p>In either case-the sound you hear is NOT what the people who recorded it wanted you to hear.</p><p></p><p>Now whether you like that "false sound" is up to you. Some people like all sorts of things that are not real----------but we won't go there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 125833, member: 30"] Re: tall skinny speakers Sorry-but either I did not get your message or was busy and forgot about it. Sorry it was the later. Your suggestion does make any interesting argument. The problem is that different instruments have different directivity factors. A violin is much more omni than a trumpet. So there is no way a single loudspeaker could possible have a different directivity for each instrument. So the best thing we could do would be to have the same directivity (or as close as possible) for ALL instruments. You also have to consider what is the purpose of the sound system vs an instrument. The instrument (no matter if it is a cello or an electric guitar) is to create a particular "sound". it is the goal of the sound system to reproduce that sound as goo as possible. Having a loudspeaker system that has as little interaction with the room (ie pattern control over a wide range of freq) is a good start towards that goal. In my opinion-the sound system should not be part of the "creation" of the sound-only the reproduction of the sounds that are going into it. So having a system that has a flat magnitude and phase response-pattern control (to help reduce the 'room effects") IS important. Back in the day (mostly the 80s) I used a pile of JBL 2225s with 2445 drivers on 2380 horns. They worked well -or at least I remember them working well. But then again my standards were different than they are now. I would love to go back in time and listen to my old systems-as see if they were as I remembered. Pattern control really matters when you are in a bad acoustic environment (reverberant or lots of echo) and trying to reproduce sounds accurately-especially speech. Here is a link to an install that was done last week in a large live room. The recording was done on a hand held recorder at the back of the room. If you listen to the instruments you do not hear the room reverberation (specifically on the piano). The speakers just on the inside of the large white columns in the room. They are darker in color and 5' tall. [url]https://www.facebook.com/ivan.beaver/posts/905929532769760[/url] So I guess the "real answer" is-it depends on what you are trying to achieve in a particular situation. A famous speaker manufacturer (whose name starts with B and ends with E) made a fortune by making speakers that bounce sound all around the room-supposedly giving it more of a "live sound". The problem is that the people who recorded the material did not want that extra sound in the recording-or they would have put it in. And what about the actual live recordings (ie a mic out int he room) that have lots of the "room sound" included in the recording? When you listen to that material you will be adding MORE reflections to the recording. In either case-the sound you hear is NOT what the people who recorded it wanted you to hear. Now whether you like that "false sound" is up to you. Some people like all sorts of things that are not real----------but we won't go there. [/QUOTE]
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