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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Brill Jr." data-source="post: 139533" data-attributes="member: 8636">Re: New Yamaha TF series digital mixersAl you have been there just long enough to see the last good products rolled out.&nbsp; I have a saying, my idea of good sound and your idea of good sound may not be the same.&nbsp; Same goes for quality.&nbsp; It&#039;s all relative.Al I suggest you simply take pre and post units and open them up and take lots of pictures.&nbsp; Also please tell us the rate of service request change since the changes were made.&nbsp; Basically when you mention manufacturing and china to me in the same sentence you have lost already.&nbsp; I believe the lowest common denominator is not a goal we should strive to achieve.&nbsp; Why china?&nbsp; Why not Germany or UK, or USA, or France, or Italy?To understand my pov, (I have no idea why you would care) you have to realize that I don&#039;t care about your profit margins, or units sold to the lowest common denominator.&nbsp; I only care about quality.&nbsp; If Midas was having problems before selling out, in my mind, they were caused by creating junk (Venice, Legend (Phew!!!), verona, etc. and gradually killing the brand.&nbsp; Just like when dbx felt they needed to compete with there own stolen designs and started making junk.&nbsp; Nothing really decent after the 166.&nbsp; Soundcraft went downhill rapidly with that whole spirit thing, then they started dumbing down the soundcraft line.&nbsp; It seems like manufacturers feel like they need to build a brand of quality up until it&#039;s considered premium, then gradually take it down the tubes for profit.&nbsp; Fender comes to mind.&nbsp; They have done this a few times.&nbsp; I have absolutely no financial connection to any of it so I don&#039;t mind stating my perception which seems to be more common than you realize.&nbsp; I really only see fanboys and people with a direct financial connection defending this guy, er empire.Now I will say whoever designed the look of that M32, kudos, it looks sexy as hell.&nbsp; It&#039;s still a whore under all the makeup though.While you are changing names, maybe change the name of this forum to what it really is.It&#039;s tough to catch tone on the internet.&nbsp; I&#039;m not mad. I&#039;m just opinionated and stubborn.&nbsp; In fact I think this is all pretty funny as I kill time before doors.&nbsp; BTW other than the Venice in some small breakout rooms, I can&#039;t say that I have seen a Midas on a corpie show since the last time I used a Heritage 3000 in 2006.&nbsp; Yamaha owns the market.&nbsp; I don&#039;t recall seeing a midas in any church ever, but I did see DDA which by all accounts is what became all those low end Midas branded desks.&nbsp; You tell me.&nbsp; I see the Pro 6 on festivals and that&#039;s about it.&nbsp; Most of the band engineers seem to want digico and digidesign.&nbsp; I challenged you guys 2 or 3 years ago to convince me this X32 was something and had no takers.&nbsp; I have 1 client that purchased an M32 which I probably won&#039;t ever use, and when I discuss the lack of dugan interfacing, they tell me, behringer is going to just knock it off (copy for the rest of the world) in the software.&nbsp; Do you think that&#039;s OK?I do own a piece of behringer gear.&nbsp; The Thoroughbred/ sam ash guy sold me a bill of goods when I walked in to buy dbx166s.&nbsp; I have an autocom 1000.&nbsp; Every other piece of gear I have been able to sell off.&nbsp; It&#039;s the only thing I have left from back then.&nbsp; No one wanted it.&nbsp; This was before the lawsuit.&nbsp; It worked fine, it&#039;s a dbx inside!&nbsp; The stuff was actually decent quality then too for a short window, then this eurodesks came out.&nbsp; I figured they were some sort of guitar effect because everything that you put through them was distorted.In my mind you will NEVER recover from that until those of us that were around to hear it are all dead.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harry Brill Jr., post: 139533, member: 8636"] Re: New Yamaha TF series digital mixers Al you have been there just long enough to see the last good products rolled out. I have a saying, my idea of good sound and your idea of good sound may not be the same. Same goes for quality. It's all relative. Al I suggest you simply take pre and post units and open them up and take lots of pictures. Also please tell us the rate of service request change since the changes were made. Basically when you mention manufacturing and china to me in the same sentence you have lost already. I believe the lowest common denominator is not a goal we should strive to achieve. Why china? Why not Germany or UK, or USA, or France, or Italy? To understand my pov, (I have no idea why you would care) you have to realize that I don't care about your profit margins, or units sold to the lowest common denominator. I only care about quality. If Midas was having problems before selling out, in my mind, they were caused by creating junk (Venice, Legend (Phew!!!), verona, etc. and gradually killing the brand. Just like when dbx felt they needed to compete with there own stolen designs and started making junk. Nothing really decent after the 166. Soundcraft went downhill rapidly with that whole spirit thing, then they started dumbing down the soundcraft line. It seems like manufacturers feel like they need to build a brand of quality up until it's considered premium, then gradually take it down the tubes for profit. Fender comes to mind. They have done this a few times. I have absolutely no financial connection to any of it so I don't mind stating my perception which seems to be more common than you realize. I really only see fanboys and people with a direct financial connection defending this guy, er empire. Now I will say whoever designed the look of that M32, kudos, it looks sexy as hell. It's still a whore under all the makeup though. While you are changing names, maybe change the name of this forum to what it really is. It's tough to catch tone on the internet. I'm not mad. I'm just opinionated and stubborn. In fact I think this is all pretty funny as I kill time before doors. BTW other than the Venice in some small breakout rooms, I can't say that I have seen a Midas on a corpie show since the last time I used a Heritage 3000 in 2006. Yamaha owns the market. I don't recall seeing a midas in any church ever, but I did see DDA which by all accounts is what became all those low end Midas branded desks. You tell me. I see the Pro 6 on festivals and that's about it. Most of the band engineers seem to want digico and digidesign. I challenged you guys 2 or 3 years ago to convince me this X32 was something and had no takers. I have 1 client that purchased an M32 which I probably won't ever use, and when I discuss the lack of dugan interfacing, they tell me, behringer is going to just knock it off (copy for the rest of the world) in the software. Do you think that's OK? I do own a piece of behringer gear. The Thoroughbred/ sam ash guy sold me a bill of goods when I walked in to buy dbx166s. I have an autocom 1000. Every other piece of gear I have been able to sell off. It's the only thing I have left from back then. No one wanted it. This was before the lawsuit. It worked fine, it's a dbx inside! The stuff was actually decent quality then too for a short window, then this eurodesks came out. I figured they were some sort of guitar effect because everything that you put through them was distorted. In my mind you will NEVER recover from that until those of us that were around to hear it are all dead. [/QUOTE]

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