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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Brill Jr." data-source="post: 139582" data-attributes="member: 8636"><p>Re: MG and IP theft</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Boo! I wondered why Josh was going to Bose a few months ago.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/09/on-behringers-track-record-value-and-copies/" target="_blank">http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/09/on-behringers-track-record-value-and-copies/</a></p><p><a href="http://homerecording.com/bbs/equipment-forums/the-rack/i-did-some-research-mackie-behringer-lawsuit-74439/" target="_blank">http://homerecording.com/bbs/equipment-forums/the-rack/i-did-some-research-mackie-behringer-lawsuit-74439/</a></p><p></p><p>In regards to the dbx issue, that has been going around since almost the day I bought it. The sales guy said "just as good" but within a year, and this was pre internet for me, I was being told it was the same. You say it's not. I'm not an EE.</p><p><a href="https://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/647681-old-behringer-autocom-mdx1200-same-circuitry-dbx-160-a.html" target="_blank">https://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/647681-old-behringer-autocom-mdx1200-same-circuitry-dbx-160-a.html</a> But I'm not the one that came up with this. </p><p></p><p>In all I had 3 160X and 4 166 at the same time as the MDX1000. They all sold in about a week of being listed except the MDX1000 that is still in my garage. Of course now I wish I had them back.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.audio.pro.live-sound/_j4nf3kYHFQ" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.audio.pro.live-sound/_j4nf3kYHFQ</a></p><p>Lots of strong opinions out there. No wonder they change the name to music group. I honestly had no idea it was the same company until I read it here. I don't generally stay in those loops.</p><p>I thought they took manufacturing to China initially because they were so good at copying and have no moral issues with it in their society, it's considered making it better. Cheap labor was just a bonus. I don't even blame the Chinese because they really don't know any better. It really is a part of the culture and considered a good thing.</p><p></p><p>How about telling us about those failure rates, rates of repair.</p><p>I have a buddy who is auth service for B, and he says they make the customer send in the stuff, then he spends all kinds of time troubleshooting, then B just replaces the entire unit and he gets little to nothing for his time spent. This is mainly because they can't get him parts fast enough and the clients complain about the time it's taking for the turn around. Besides that they pay a flat rate. I don't know why he bothers. I think he is transitioning out gradually. He deals with MI lines though.</p><p></p><p>John, Peavey has been a huge "borrower" for decades. I can understand why you are defensive. The Impulse is the first thing that comes to my mind. A direct ripoff of EV's SX100. Fortunately they also had a few guys like you inventing stuff on a regular basis. The DDT comes to mind (iirc).</p><p></p><p>You may think it's OK to "borrow" Dan's designs, but for some reason Waves/ Digico, and Yamaha feel it's worth paying homage.</p><p></p><p>No one is disputing whether the Midas branded or the X32 sounds good. By many many accounts they do sound good and do a job for the people that use them. I found the x32 to be very limited in capability which I'm sure fits the price. I think Justice and I only said we aren't spending our money there for many reasons, not the least of which are I'm not going to forget the past just because you tell me to.</p><p>Like I said, i was told the build quality of the new and cheaper priced Pro was not as good as the pre purchase quality. Does this really shock anyone? You take manufacturing from a UK based company into China and you expect it to be as good? It could be simple like the gauge of the metal or even the batch of metal. What is the failure rate pre and post? That's all I'm asking. By Failure I mean the need for factory service whether it be sending out parts or taking units in for repair.</p><p></p><p>I do think it's great that you guys let me post my opinion on your site though. It won't take that feeling of eew away when I see that gear in the wild. I have had that thought since the mid 1990s. When I ask those Pro 6 guys how they like their Behringer desk, they get very angry and defensive. The stigma is alive and well even if they are using the Midas branded gear. Well I hate to tell them but the name badge is just that. Do you think any of those guys are going to tell you how they really feel? Those that know me know I don't BS. Everyone pussyfoots around but they are all thinking he same as me. Only folks invested with their wallets, that want to see an ROI are defending. Justice has a big mouth just like me. He's one of the few guys I know that also says whatever he thinks regardless of what people might think or say because it's what he believes. We are entitled to our opinions and no babies will die so get over it.</p><p></p><p>Mr Behringer should buy my company. I'll sell out for $1,000,000. I'll even tell you all about my inventions google tells me someone else already invented. Of course I have no product. I just mix and pay taxes.</p><p></p><p>I don't really understand the title of this thread. Is someone angry?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Brill Jr., post: 139582, member: 8636"] Re: MG and IP theft Boo! I wondered why Josh was going to Bose a few months ago. [URL]http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/09/on-behringers-track-record-value-and-copies/[/URL] [URL]http://homerecording.com/bbs/equipment-forums/the-rack/i-did-some-research-mackie-behringer-lawsuit-74439/[/URL] In regards to the dbx issue, that has been going around since almost the day I bought it. The sales guy said "just as good" but within a year, and this was pre internet for me, I was being told it was the same. You say it's not. I'm not an EE. [URL]https://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/647681-old-behringer-autocom-mdx1200-same-circuitry-dbx-160-a.html[/URL] But I'm not the one that came up with this. In all I had 3 160X and 4 166 at the same time as the MDX1000. They all sold in about a week of being listed except the MDX1000 that is still in my garage. Of course now I wish I had them back. [URL]https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.audio.pro.live-sound/_j4nf3kYHFQ[/URL] Lots of strong opinions out there. No wonder they change the name to music group. I honestly had no idea it was the same company until I read it here. I don't generally stay in those loops. I thought they took manufacturing to China initially because they were so good at copying and have no moral issues with it in their society, it's considered making it better. Cheap labor was just a bonus. I don't even blame the Chinese because they really don't know any better. It really is a part of the culture and considered a good thing. How about telling us about those failure rates, rates of repair. I have a buddy who is auth service for B, and he says they make the customer send in the stuff, then he spends all kinds of time troubleshooting, then B just replaces the entire unit and he gets little to nothing for his time spent. This is mainly because they can't get him parts fast enough and the clients complain about the time it's taking for the turn around. Besides that they pay a flat rate. I don't know why he bothers. I think he is transitioning out gradually. He deals with MI lines though. John, Peavey has been a huge "borrower" for decades. I can understand why you are defensive. The Impulse is the first thing that comes to my mind. A direct ripoff of EV's SX100. Fortunately they also had a few guys like you inventing stuff on a regular basis. The DDT comes to mind (iirc). You may think it's OK to "borrow" Dan's designs, but for some reason Waves/ Digico, and Yamaha feel it's worth paying homage. No one is disputing whether the Midas branded or the X32 sounds good. By many many accounts they do sound good and do a job for the people that use them. I found the x32 to be very limited in capability which I'm sure fits the price. I think Justice and I only said we aren't spending our money there for many reasons, not the least of which are I'm not going to forget the past just because you tell me to. Like I said, i was told the build quality of the new and cheaper priced Pro was not as good as the pre purchase quality. Does this really shock anyone? You take manufacturing from a UK based company into China and you expect it to be as good? It could be simple like the gauge of the metal or even the batch of metal. What is the failure rate pre and post? That's all I'm asking. By Failure I mean the need for factory service whether it be sending out parts or taking units in for repair. I do think it's great that you guys let me post my opinion on your site though. It won't take that feeling of eew away when I see that gear in the wild. I have had that thought since the mid 1990s. When I ask those Pro 6 guys how they like their Behringer desk, they get very angry and defensive. The stigma is alive and well even if they are using the Midas branded gear. Well I hate to tell them but the name badge is just that. Do you think any of those guys are going to tell you how they really feel? Those that know me know I don't BS. Everyone pussyfoots around but they are all thinking he same as me. Only folks invested with their wallets, that want to see an ROI are defending. Justice has a big mouth just like me. He's one of the few guys I know that also says whatever he thinks regardless of what people might think or say because it's what he believes. We are entitled to our opinions and no babies will die so get over it. Mr Behringer should buy my company. I'll sell out for $1,000,000. I'll even tell you all about my inventions google tells me someone else already invented. Of course I have no product. I just mix and pay taxes. I don't really understand the title of this thread. Is someone angry? [/QUOTE]
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