The demise of Uli Behringer

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Rob Timmerman said:
You mean like Steve Jobs?
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They're probably a little alike.
This is an aside but... I've been a Mac user since the late 90s and I'm still trying to figure out if the the things I like about Mac are a direct result of Jobs' efforts or a by-product of some sort [maybe even in spite of him]. There's a chance that I've just accepted MacOS as the least of many evils. btw, I'm not an iphone user and my ipad use is only in response to the audio oriented gear that has surfaced. I don't use iOS on a regular basis at all. So, I don't think I'm in complete alignment with his design philosophies. Anyway, to bring this back on topic, I've been curious if Uli is a 'short sleeper'.
 
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drew gandy said:
They're probably a little alike.
This is an aside but... I've been a Mac user since the late 90s and I'm still trying to figure out if the the things I like about Mac are a direct result of Jobs' efforts or a by-product of some sort [maybe even in spite of him]. There's a chance that I've just accepted MacOS as the least of many evils. btw, I'm not an iphone user and my ipad use is only in response to the audio oriented gear that has surfaced. I don't use iOS on a regular basis at all. So, I don't think I'm in complete alignment with his design philosophies. Anyway, to bring this back on topic, I've been curious if Uli is a 'short sleeper'.
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The thing people forget about apple though is that without bill gates' money they would have turned into a subsidiary of SUN Microsystems. So however good (or bad) steve jobs was he wouldn't have had a chance without Microsoft money (with SUN it actually got to the stage where they were getting ready to send out the press releases!).

So why you can say apple is the lesser or many evils, it took their biggest competitor to keep them going :razz:
 
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Daniel Levi said:
So why you can say apple is the lesser or many evils, it took their biggest competitor to keep them going :razz:
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Exactly, most products (and companies) are shaped by the other products (and companies) around them. I think the point I was going after was that success is more often about stamina and simply being in the right place at the right time than sheer brilliance. And I think there is statistical research that shows this concept. But, I know that I would rather be known for my brilliance than for my endurance or lucky happenstance. It's gotta be that way for most CEO types as well. After all, the job usually requires a bit of ego and self delusion.;)
 
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It is perhaps interesting to consider how success and prosperity distorts how we view individuals, imbuing them with super powers.

A website that collects feedback about large organizations will surely attract any unhappy campers in the group. I would take such anecdotes with a grain of salt. Unless you are thinking of working there I wouldn't take them at all, and if kicking those tires talk to current employees before former ones.

JR
 
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I don't really see a parallel between Behringer and Jobs at all. Jobs' biggest successes were from unlikely product ideas like the iPhone. Behringer's biggest successes are all products that are basically cheaper versions of existing products from other companies.
 
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Scott Helmke said:
I don't really see a parallel between Behringer and Jobs at all. Jobs' biggest successes were from unlikely product ideas like the iPhone. Behringer's biggest successes are all products that are basically cheaper versions of existing products from other companies.
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+1

That said, they are both successful... so... *shrug*
 
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Scott Helmke said:
I don't really see a parallel between Behringer and Jobs at all. Jobs' biggest successes were from unlikely product ideas like the iPhone. Behringer's biggest successes are all products that are basically cheaper versions of existing products from other companies.
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I don't know either man personally.

Ironically perhaps Jobs had success from copying other peoples ideas and making them more expensive.... :-)

JR
 
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Scott Helmke said:
I don't really see a parallel between Behringer and Jobs at all. Jobs' biggest successes were from unlikely product ideas like the iPhone. Behringer's biggest successes are all products that are basically cheaper versions of existing products from other companies.
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I was merely drawing a parallel between two men, at least one of whom is well known for being opinionated, ruthless, and a bit of a jerk. But I know neither man personally, so...

As far as Apple's success go, none of Apple's recent (Jobs era) products were particularly innovative when they were released, and none were the first of their kind. Apple has a history of taking an existing concept and executing it well, with significant focus on the industrial design and human interaction aspects. Then the marketing department takes over and demand is created.

Behringer's success has come from minimizing the cost of products in the marketplace. Different markets, different approaches, but both apparently successful.
 
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Apple had a true marketing department and made billions, had books published, and frankly had a very successful company.... Behringer is small pottatos in comparisons, I would say Uli is more like Bill Gates... a true rip off scammer of the system then any kind of innovator.... I mean truly what has Behringer ever made that was not a director ripoff of something already produced? See kind of sounds like Microsoft...
 
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So much hate for a man who is filling a market need. I'm sorry but if you can afford Lab amps, and meyer rigs. Why even care about Uli? I am in a market that its the only way to produce a decent show with a budget. Alesis and Behringer are go to names at my price-range because they are cheep and will get the job done. If you hate someone for that then you need to find a new hobby.
 
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Jackson Grant said:
Apple had a true marketing department and made billions, had books published, and frankly had a very successful company.... Behringer is small pottatos in comparisons, I would say Uli is more like Bill Gates... a true rip off scammer of the system then any kind of innovator.... I mean truly what has Behringer ever made that was not a director ripoff of something already produced? See kind of sounds like Microsoft...
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How is Gates a rip-off scammer? The story about reworking DRI's CP/M86 into MS-DOS is largely debunked - MS licensed 86-DOS from Seattle Computer Products, whom DRI's Killdall accused of copying his system calls. Gates didn't write MS-DOS but he never claimed to personally have done so. The rest of MS... the constant changes to the Office suite, etc. are another matter of crass commercialism combined with corporate client inertia... but making a profit on that is simple American capitalism.

Apple didn't invent the GUI, either. They walked out of Xerox PARC with the code because nobody at Xerox grasped the potential and didn't give a shit if someone else used it. They didn't invent portable music players, either, they just digitized them in order to sell them the consumable product (music, text and software) in a closed-loop commerce system. Elegant design? Sure. Novel concept? Not even in the vertical integration of the product...

As for Uli, who cares? If his ex employees think he's a jerk, how do I use that information? Do I not buy a product because the ex hates him now? Do I not buy a Chrysler because of something Lee Iaccoca said 30 years ago?

Finally, you or someone very much like you posted this a few months ago over at Prosound Web. I recall the topic getting locked, and rather expect to see this one having the same fate.
 
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The number of ex employees are growing by the day... Uli is going nuts and the company is going downhill fast. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And for the record MS did not license DOS FROM SCP.... ID10T
 
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Jackson Grant said:
The number of ex employees are growing by the day... Uli is going nuts and the company is going downhill fast. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And for the record MS did not license DOS FROM SCP.... ID10T
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Again, why should anyone not employed by Behringer/Music Group or owning stock in same be terribly concerned?

The licensing of 86-DOS did occur, the speculative point is whether or not it was done before/after MS delivered actual product to IBM; Kildall's accusation that SCPI substantially copied his system calls from CP/M was never given a day in court. Gary certainly felt that MS got the fruits of his work, even if someone else was the actual thief. He moved on.
 
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May I also add, Apple were sued by creative when it turned out they had patented the interface which was used on their Mp3 players (they invented the hard disk based mp3 player with the nomad jukebox) which apple then copied, creative won.

And as for MS-DOS, If DRI had accepted IBM's offer (bill gates actually told IBM to go to them for their OS but Kildall's wife did not think the price being offered was good enough and kildall was out flying at the time.) then they would not have gone back to Microsoft and used the OS they licenced (actually I think they brought the company, the OS at the time was not fully finished and had a few bugs).

The reason Microsoft got so big was because the kept the rights to MS-DOS and therefore could be used on other machines (the original offer to DRI meant IBM owned the operating system). There were apple approved clone makers in the 90's but it only lasted a few years as they were taking most of the sales away from apple.

Also another little anecdote was that when Alan Sugar was looking for an OS for their new line of PC compatibles (the PC1512) they ended up having both DR-DOS and MS-DOS. This was because AMSTRAD had already licenced DR-DOS when a bloke form Microsoft came round and tried to convince them they should be using MS-DOS, Alan Sugar being an astute businessman did not see the need for one OS over another (if it's cheap and it works I don't care, If I can't hold it I don't really want to pay for it!). AMSTRAD ended up with getting MS-DOS for hardly anything (don't go to Lord Sugar and think he's a pushover, he isn't)
 
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Jackson Grant said:
The number of ex employees are growing by the day... Uli is going nuts and the company is going downhill fast. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And for the record MS did not license DOS FROM SCP.... ID10T
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You are not winning any hearts or minds by insulting respected forum members here.

JR
 
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