Theater....Wireless Mics..... The Maddness.... Tips? Help?

Re: Theater....Wireless Mics..... The Maddness.... Tips? Help?

Nick, Are the rehearsals going any better? Have you had a chance to try and implement any of the suggestions from here yet?

Yes I have Kevin. Sorry I haven't replied all day, haven't had a chance to get to my computer. I've been playing mic wrangler for the past 2 days, and whether anyone likes that change or not, no one leaves the sound booth anymore until I personally have put their mic on their face. The more consistent placement has made a very noticeable improvement. I decided on taking the compressors off, and just taking notes of where they get loud, and keeping a finger on the fader, I left a limiter on the sub groups just in case though and left the thresh hold fairly wide open so it only kicks in when it needs to and isn't aggressive at all. I gave a couple actors whos packs, or channels were not clipping and still got distortion a new mic. Turns out we have a couple bad ones, which happens over a couple years I suppose. We actually take very good care of our equipment for a highschool too. Nothing is abused, and no one who doesn't know what they are doing is handed the keys to the system. On the first day we give them mics, I take about 20 minutes with the group and thoroughly go over how to treat them, what to touch and what not to touch, and tell them they cost about twice as much as they actually do. ;)~;-)~:wink: I took a few minutes when no one was in the auditorium, put a mic on a table on stage (I didn't have an extra person, so I improvised) and rung each type of mic out on their subgroup to leave the channel EQ's for individual adjustment. I still secretly leave the overheads off. They wont give me a dedicated audio rehearsal, a group number or individual check before rehearsal, or to get the directors to leave me alone. I've just been dealing with it, and if they have a problem, I let them know I'm working on it and they generally go away which works for me. Generally the ideas you guys gave me that I implemented have made great improvements, and Thanks to everyone for them.
 
Re: Theater....Wireless Mics..... The Maddness.... Tips? Help?

Problem with mics on front of the stage is there is an orchestra right in front of them in the pit.

Been there, many times

Read my comment above for the second suggestion. The bottom of the 4 Jbl Vrx's a side that we have are about 20 ft or so up hanging from the ceiling.

line array? stereo? stage spill? .... Just picture me banging my head against something hard.


And dont even mention overhead mics. Theres 8 Audix m44 hanging all over the stage. They are the best thing ever invented to mankind, and sound amazing......... According to the directors that is. This is why they are turned up, unmuted...... and assigned to a sub group that is muted so they don't know they aren't on.

8? 8!!! ya know my very first HS theater job back in the 70's I did that. Back then we simply didnt have anyway to find out what to do so we learned by trial and error

Are these all going to the Presonus? separate submixer?

Also according to them, bass and treble control on the board now have nothing to do with Low, Mid, and High Eq's. That's interesting isn't it? Wonder when that happened.:lol: and vocals should also now be in the subs to give them a bassy range or something.:lol::lol:

I am a Presonus user.. I have the 24. The 16 is a bit limited in the parametrics. If this has the expanders using these a little may be to your advantage.
I am trying to think how I would do this if I only had a SL16... Im shivvering a little. I think i would flatten out the mics then roll off the lows hard and the highs a little. Then a small boost in the vocal range.

Almost certainly I would bring in my own mains. Bet my PRX would work better for this application then that that line array. How big is this venue anyway?
 
Re: Theater....Wireless Mics..... The Maddness.... Tips? Help?

Yes I have Kevin. Sorry I haven't replied all day, haven't had a chance to get to my computer. I've been playing mic wrangler for the past 2 days, and whether anyone likes that change or not, no one leaves the sound booth anymore until I personally have put their mic on their face. The more consistent placement has made a very noticeable improvement. I decided on taking the compressors off, and just taking notes of where they get loud, and keeping a finger on the fader, I left a limiter on the sub groups just in case though and left the thresh hold fairly wide open so it only kicks in when it needs to and isn't aggressive at all. I gave a couple actors whos packs, or channels were not clipping and still got distortion a new mic. Turns out we have a couple bad ones, which happens over a couple years I suppose. We actually take very good care of our equipment for a highschool too. Nothing is abused, and no one who doesn't know what they are doing is handed the keys to the system. On the first day we give them mics, I take about 20 minutes with the group and thoroughly go over how to treat them, what to touch and what not to touch, and tell them they cost about twice as much as they actually do. ;)~;-)~:wink: I took a few minutes when no one was in the auditorium, put a mic on a table on stage (I didn't have an extra person, so I improvised) and rung each type of mic out on their subgroup to leave the channel EQ's for individual adjustment. I still secretly leave the overheads off. They wont give me a dedicated audio rehearsal, a group number or individual check before rehearsal, or to get the directors to leave me alone. I've just been dealing with it, and if they have a problem, I let them know I'm working on it and they generally go away which works for me. Generally the ideas you guys gave me that I implemented have made great improvements, and Thanks to everyone for them.

Its good to hear that it is going better.

As far as the overhead mics go, they can work for the big chorus numbers if you have a bunch of actors that don’t have wireless. To give the whole thing some more fullness. But you want to do the same subgroup EQ technique that you did for the wireless subgroup. And don’t get carried away just try to sneak them in a little bit and see if it helps. This is assuming that the show has any big chorus numbers. I am not familiar with Tarzan at all. I am about to do 2 shows in a row that are new to me, Avenue Q student edition and then Shrek the musical student edition. They actually had some of the puppeteers/actors that were in Avenue Q working with the kids.

Keep up the good work.
 
Re: Theater....Wireless Mics..... The Maddness.... Tips? Help?

I wouldn't call those locations ridiculous at all. For high school theater it may be difficult due to inexperience, but hairline omni lavs is how Broadway and professional theater has been doing musicals for a long time. Place the element where you want it, take a picture of its location and print it out for the actors to reference in their dressing rooms.

I’ll admit that I chuckled at the idea of those positions being ridiculous. A show full of characters who never take their glasses off sounds like a dream.

This rig just happens to be sitting out on my table.
 

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