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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Cagle" data-source="post: 73824" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>Re: Thoughts on old EAW KF gear</p><p></p><p>This ought to be interesting. I started writing then did a little research on the SM80. I will go ahead and post what I have. </p><p></p><p>+1 on the KF650z. In my opinion you can't go wrong with this box for what you are doing. I have used the KF650e's over SB1000's and liked them ok and the KF650z's over Danley TH212's and loved them. The z's are stellar, a completely different animal than the e series. Just be sure to get them up high enough because the high frequency driver is in the middle. Also amp power and processing are critical to get the most out of them. Get the UX8800 and tri-amp them if you really want the very best sound quality and output. If you are looking at anything Danley for top boxes, a properly powered and processed KF650z rig is one of the very few semi affordable professional set ups that will even get you close to that high end studio monitor sound and accuracy. The KF850, although much louder, is a very heavy box. It is in excess of 250lbs. I did not like lifting them when I was 35 and I like lifting 250lb trap boxes even less now at 50 (even though I still do it on our bigger shows). </p><p></p><p>Now as for the SM80. I was unaware of this box. After researching a little bit I am going to have to take a ride over to Danley and give a listen to them. 50lbs pole mountable with a 134db peak at 80 degrees seems almost unfathomable. I am a big fan of the KF650z but if you do the math 3 amps and a ux8800, even used, puts the price in range of the SM80 and a single amp. Just for comparison my Mackie Fussion 3000 tops are supposedly 135db peak with a 80x70 degree pattern and they will walk all over a single KF650z. They are LOUD and fairly accurate. There is just that 250lb thing that makes me always wish for other options. The crossover point is 85hz for the Fussions rather than 120HZ for the SM80 but I have a truck load of subs that will be happy to go up to 120hz and crossover. I am actually in the market myself for a smaller trap rig to add to my arsonal sometime around February and I had pretty much decided to either go with the KF650z's or a 3 way powered option. I don't expect a smaller cabinet to be as loud as the Fussion 3000 but it is a reference for me as far as clarity and volume. It might be an apples and oranges comparison but would like do a shootout with the 650z's, Fussion 3000's, and the SM80's in the next few weeks Ivan if you have the time. I called Kemper and he is in to bring his 650z rig.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Cagle, post: 73824, member: 277"] Re: Thoughts on old EAW KF gear This ought to be interesting. I started writing then did a little research on the SM80. I will go ahead and post what I have. +1 on the KF650z. In my opinion you can't go wrong with this box for what you are doing. I have used the KF650e's over SB1000's and liked them ok and the KF650z's over Danley TH212's and loved them. The z's are stellar, a completely different animal than the e series. Just be sure to get them up high enough because the high frequency driver is in the middle. Also amp power and processing are critical to get the most out of them. Get the UX8800 and tri-amp them if you really want the very best sound quality and output. If you are looking at anything Danley for top boxes, a properly powered and processed KF650z rig is one of the very few semi affordable professional set ups that will even get you close to that high end studio monitor sound and accuracy. The KF850, although much louder, is a very heavy box. It is in excess of 250lbs. I did not like lifting them when I was 35 and I like lifting 250lb trap boxes even less now at 50 (even though I still do it on our bigger shows). Now as for the SM80. I was unaware of this box. After researching a little bit I am going to have to take a ride over to Danley and give a listen to them. 50lbs pole mountable with a 134db peak at 80 degrees seems almost unfathomable. I am a big fan of the KF650z but if you do the math 3 amps and a ux8800, even used, puts the price in range of the SM80 and a single amp. Just for comparison my Mackie Fussion 3000 tops are supposedly 135db peak with a 80x70 degree pattern and they will walk all over a single KF650z. They are LOUD and fairly accurate. There is just that 250lb thing that makes me always wish for other options. The crossover point is 85hz for the Fussions rather than 120HZ for the SM80 but I have a truck load of subs that will be happy to go up to 120hz and crossover. I am actually in the market myself for a smaller trap rig to add to my arsonal sometime around February and I had pretty much decided to either go with the KF650z's or a 3 way powered option. I don't expect a smaller cabinet to be as loud as the Fussion 3000 but it is a reference for me as far as clarity and volume. It might be an apples and oranges comparison but would like do a shootout with the 650z's, Fussion 3000's, and the SM80's in the next few weeks Ivan if you have the time. I called Kemper and he is in to bring his 650z rig. [/QUOTE]
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