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The really funny ones are that when you supply the specified effects unit-and the guy has no idea how to get around on it-so WHY do you have to have THIS model? Because it sounds better-yet YOU have no idea how to operate it? Maybe I am missing something here---------------------
 
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I could go on at great length about that kind of situation, but this one struck a nerve for some reason probably due to past issues with other members of his church and family that have been long sorted but obviously still lurk in the back of my mind. G
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
The really funny ones are that when you supply the specified effects unit-and the guy has no idea how to get around on it-so WHY do you have to have THIS model? Because it sounds better-yet YOU have no idea how to operate it? Maybe I am missing something here---------------------
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I remember (back when I was touring) A provider had an H3000 Eventide in an outboard rack for a festival and he told me the BE from the night before requested it, so he rented it, and then the guy had no idea how to use it.
 
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Gary Weller said:
I remember (back when I was touring) A provider had an H3000 Eventide in an outboard rack for a festival and he told me the BE from the night before requested it, so he rented it, and then the guy had no idea how to use it.
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this sort of thing is so common it's like saying that once you had an outdoor gig and it rained. :) i've got dozens of these. over time i just grew to realize that it was our job to provide what was asked for and make sure it worked. after that it was on the BE. kinda sucky, but reality none the less.

i did once have a FOH guy [from a very well known doo wop group] complain vehemently because i had provided a PM4000 rather than a PM3000. since we didn't have a dinosaur available, he was forced to deal. turns out he didn't actually know how to mix. he only knew where to put the knobs on the PM3000 since that was what he was taught on. show was pretty rough to say the least...
 
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brian maddox said:
this sort of thing is so common it's like saying that once you had an outdoor gig and it rained. :) i've got dozens of these. over time i just grew to realize that it was our job to provide what was asked for and make sure it worked. after that it was on the BE. kinda sucky, but reality none the less.

i did once have a FOH guy [from a very well known doo wop group] complain vehemently because i had provided a PM4000 rather than a PM3000. since we didn't have a dinosaur available, he was forced to deal. turns out he didn't actually know how to mix. he only knew where to put the knobs on the PM3000 since that was what he was taught on. show was pretty rough to say the least...
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I did a show a long time ago with a well known Country Legend and her BE thought the VCA's on the 4K were groups. He had the desk labeled with the first two VCA's as VOC L/R !!
 
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Gary Weller said:
I did a show a long time ago with a well known Country Legend and her BE thought the VCA's on the 4K were groups. He had the desk labeled with the first two VCA's as VOC L/R !!
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at the risk of sounding like i'm 'one-upping', if i had a nickel every time i had something like that happen, i'd have a pretty large pile of nickels. :) i provided lots of PM3000s and PM4000s back when VCA desks were still a bit of a novelty. i got very good at explaining what they actually did. some people understood. some didn't. some never asked, and then did stuff like you describe. always good for a smile.
 
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brian maddox said:
at the risk of sounding like i'm 'one-upping', if i had a nickel every time i had something like that happen, i'd have a pretty large pile of nickels. :) i provided lots of PM3000s and PM4000s back when VCA desks were still a bit of a novelty. i got very good at explaining what they actually did. some people understood. some didn't. some never asked, and then did stuff like you describe. always good for a smile.
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At this time though, he had to work on one long before this. I guess he never "got it" when it was explained.
 
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to the OP...

if i walked into a 50 by 30 room and saw a well deployed, fully functional UPA rig, i'd be perfectly happy. would i be happier with d&b Q7s over Qsubs? sure. But i'd be wondering what in the world that PA was doing in that room... :)

i've seen a lot of younger, inexperienced guys try to over-compensate by dropping the names of high end gear in the hopes of making you believe that they are more than they are. Who knows, i may have done the same myself when i was a noob. i wouldn't sweat it. he'll figure it our eventually, or the business will send him packing soon enough....
 
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Best example of " gear I've read about but really haven't a clue how to use" was funnily enough a Yamaha PM4000 and the the VCAs much laughter as our intrepid hero managed to assign everything to one VCA and then muted that VCA in the middle of a song in front of 50000 people and on live TV, sacked on the spot by the apoplectic lead singer of the band once he could string enough words together and one of us could stop laughing long enough to actually work out what he'd done. That was a LOOOONG day of patching, bitching and lifting, those old desks were well heavy and that particular one was moved 3 times that day :((. G
 
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What about the old adage - Make lemonade.
One does not always get what one wants, but one works hard to make it work.

Sometimes we're surprised - the equipment turns out better than we thought.

No, they're not too old. The bOY was an idiot, that does not have a bright future.

There's a reason pride is considered a sin - closely related to stupidity.
 
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There's also the other side of the coin that can happen in churches.

"It cost us what we consider to be a lot of money, therefore it MUST be good enough" regardless of whether it actually is or not.

"Of course it sounds "a bit thin", you've asked me to mix a band on your speech reinforcement system with 5 inch drivers". :lol:

Chris
 
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gordon mcgregor said:
Ive actually just had a text from the kid's Father apologising apparently someone from the event complained to him directly so all would seem to be working out nicely thankfully. G
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Nice to hear, Gordon - Dad sounds like a classy guy. Good for you for not calling the kid a little radge cunt poser, even though he was being arrogant and ignorant. Hopefully, you'll get some further business when people are looking for a cool headed pro.
 
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John Halliburton said:
That is encouraging, perhaps you'll get to teach the kid too-you and the father should conspire to teach some chops and manners to the choob.(hope I remembered the correct useage for that slang term! ;>)

Best regards,

John
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hitching a ride from John's thoughts... This whole scenario , for me, speaks to that place where we all have been - in the oh so sweet spot of any learning curve where you know "just enough", you're amazed at yourself by this new knowledge, and want to display your credibilty and authority , but lack having any wisdomistic experience where you are concluding that for every one thing I learn , there are 10 new things I now know I should learn . Humbling is the great cure for it.
you usually have to appear as an asshole numerous times before you get it....

its worse the younger you are.....if said dude stays in this long enough, he will remember the day he said that stupid shit.
 
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Spenser Hamilton said:
The worst part is how insulted some of those people got when they were told that their request wouldn't be possible.
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Well, actually, there's no reason it couldn't be possible. All you'd have to do is create an "EQ" group and a "dynamics" group for each DCA, and apply the required changes to all channels that are members of the DCA. Metering could be provided in the same way, by summing all member channels together post fader, although of course it is totally useless since you don't know where those channels are routed.

I know a man who wanted insert points for the VCA control signal on an analog console, so he could use external control to use the VCAs as a bus compressor.
 
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Bennett Prescott said:
Well, actually, there's no reason it couldn't be possible. All you'd have to do is create an "EQ" group and a "dynamics" group for each DCA, and apply the required changes to all channels that are members of the DCA. Metering could be provided in the same way, by summing all member channels together post fader, although of course it is totally useless since you don't know where those channels are routed.

I know a man who wanted insert points for the VCA control signal on an analog console, so he could use external control to use the VCAs as a bus compressor.
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FWIW the X32 has group busses as well. The application you mention is very specific, but interesting none the less.
 
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