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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Cagle" data-source="post: 99296" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>Re: Top Ways To Annoy A Sound Engineer</p><p></p><p>Real sound men can start from scratch anywhere anytime and make it happen. If someone else is depending on a show file to even get a useable sound then what happens as all the other problems come up? In my opinion it is really a moot point. The old my girlfriends brother or the singer's friend is going to be the soundman now is something that usually only happens with bar bands and it has very little to do with talent. A show file is only a place to start and does not work by itself in every different room or situation as you all know.</p><p></p><p>Here is a perfect example: I am sure everyone here has set up the board and handed it off to an "aspiring" sound engineer or BE. How many times does it actually improve? How many times does it go downhill? How many times does it actually go downhill to the point that you have to fix it because they can't even get back to what they started with? </p><p></p><p>The very few times at the local level it actually got better (2 to be exact in the last several hundred shows over almost 10 years) I have either hired or tried to hire them to work with my company. Several times when it started going downhill and the "soundman" actually asked me for help and tried to learn something I ended up with an apprentice and later an employee. Some of those guys are now out with touring acts or have senior positions in local venues now. </p><p></p><p>The sad reality is that most up and coming engineers at the very best need lots of improvement and at the very worst completely suck and should move away from the board before any more damage is done. Any real engineer doesn't need your files anyway. How many of you would depend solely on someone else's show file? I would say thanks and then fire it up and see what is there. Maybe it would save some set up and patching time, maybe not. There is the outside possibility that it would be amazing and blow me away but I have never seen anything like that. I have only been able to have "less" work to do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Cagle, post: 99296, member: 277"] Re: Top Ways To Annoy A Sound Engineer Real sound men can start from scratch anywhere anytime and make it happen. If someone else is depending on a show file to even get a useable sound then what happens as all the other problems come up? In my opinion it is really a moot point. The old my girlfriends brother or the singer's friend is going to be the soundman now is something that usually only happens with bar bands and it has very little to do with talent. A show file is only a place to start and does not work by itself in every different room or situation as you all know. Here is a perfect example: I am sure everyone here has set up the board and handed it off to an "aspiring" sound engineer or BE. How many times does it actually improve? How many times does it go downhill? How many times does it actually go downhill to the point that you have to fix it because they can't even get back to what they started with? The very few times at the local level it actually got better (2 to be exact in the last several hundred shows over almost 10 years) I have either hired or tried to hire them to work with my company. Several times when it started going downhill and the "soundman" actually asked me for help and tried to learn something I ended up with an apprentice and later an employee. Some of those guys are now out with touring acts or have senior positions in local venues now. The sad reality is that most up and coming engineers at the very best need lots of improvement and at the very worst completely suck and should move away from the board before any more damage is done. Any real engineer doesn't need your files anyway. How many of you would depend solely on someone else's show file? I would say thanks and then fire it up and see what is there. Maybe it would save some set up and patching time, maybe not. There is the outside possibility that it would be amazing and blow me away but I have never seen anything like that. I have only been able to have "less" work to do. [/QUOTE]
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