Whats wrong with this mix?

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Alan Sledzieski said:
I know whats driving me nuts.

Adele - Set Fire To The Rain (Live at The Royal Albert Hall) - YouTube
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Is it the fact that the snare doesn't make you eyes twitch or the kick is not caving in your chest?

I wish people would post REAL live recordings. You know like a XY pair of mics at FOH direct to tape. NO post processing and so forth.

Then that would give an idea of what was really going on and what the audience (at least some of them) heard.

Nobody in that room heard that sound-I am pretty sure.
 
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Jordan Lahr said:
Actually when you have a performer that can belt put the notes, your gain settings help reduce your stage bleed and she's still always singing into the diaphram.
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Gain doesn't change anything. The ratio of voice to everything else would be the same regardless. Singing louder will make bleed less apparent because the ratio is higher.
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
I wish people would post REAL live recordings. You know like a XY pair of mics at FOH direct to tape. NO post processing and so forth.

Then that would give an idea of what was really going on and what the audience (at least some of them) heard.
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For psychoacoustic reasons an X/Y recording from the audience area can't give you a true record of what it sounded like to people in the audience.
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
Don't they make those heads with mics where ears would be for this? How do those work?
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Psychoacoustics research has shown that when you sit in the 3d audio space of a live event your brain can sort out the wanted signal from the noise (crowd, reverb, etc.) When you reduce all of that information down to two sources (speakers, headphones, etc.) your brain can't sort it out as well so the signal-to-noise ratio seems worse.

Many of us run into a variation of the theory every time we mix monitors. It's much easier for a singer to pick his voice/instrument out of a stereo IEM mix than it is to pick it out of a mono IEM mix. That's also a big reason why the trick of running multiple wedge mixes to the same stage position can help keep a difficult musician happy.
 
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Milt Hathaway said:
Psychoacoustics research has shown that when you sit in the 3d audio space of a live event your brain can sort out the wanted signal from the noise (crowd, reverb, etc.) When you reduce all of that information down to two sources (speakers, headphones, etc.) your brain can't sort it out as well so the signal-to-noise ratio seems worse.

Many of us run into a variation of the theory every time we mix monitors. It's much easier for a singer to pick his voice/instrument out of a stereo IEM mix than it is to pick it out of a mono IEM mix. That's also a big reason why the trick of running multiple wedge mixes to the same stage position can help keep a difficult musician happy.
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So, while the head with mic-ears might make the stereo image a bit more realistic, it's not going to be much of an improvement over an X-Y stereo pair as far as overall sound quality goes. Interesting.
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
So, while the head with mic-ears might make the stereo image a bit more realistic, it's not going to be much of an improvement over an X-Y stereo pair as far as overall sound quality goes. Interesting.
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We filter out a bunch of stuff our brain doesn't realize it needs to filter out when listening to the playback as it's environment/setting-dependent.
 
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