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<blockquote data-quote="Dan Mortensen" data-source="post: 120969" data-attributes="member: 2826"><p>Re: S16 and phantom pops</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">I don't get why you're getting pops from phantom power. The mics are still connected to the S16 and shouldn't be losing phantom. What's being switched is the digital output of the S16, not the inputs to the phantom-powered XLR's.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Or at least that's how it should work.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">What firmware are you using?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"></span></span>EDIT: Disregard that tiny type above; I was completely wrong. It's funny how my natural expectations of how this console works are so often the opposite of what actually happens.</p><p></p><p>I set up 3 S16's just as you described and ran 4 phantom powered mics into each of the last two (Channels 17-32) and switched input sources back and forth between them. </p><p></p><p>Sure enough, phantom disappears on the previous S16 and appears on the current S16. There is indeed a pop happening, and I think it's happening as the new S16 powers up rather than from the old one powering down. The pop varies in intensity depending on how long it is between switchings. Sometimes it was big, sometimes not so big, but always audible.</p><p></p><p>Regardless, there is a thing happening there that is solvable, but you will need to change your behavior a little bit.</p><p></p><p>Clearly you cannot make a seamless transition from one S16 to another with all channels live when using anything phantom powered. You do need to mute the channels in some way, and the two ways are mute group or individual channel mutes if you are using any outputs that are not post fader sends, with DCA mutes as an additional option if you use only post fader outputs. (DCA mutes don't mute pre-fader outputs.)</p><p></p><p>I didn't try it without anything phantom powered.</p><p></p><p>It is probably not a reasonable expectation to be able to switch back and forth between input sources with live channels, anyway. I bet if the phantom power stayed on on the unused S16, you might not hear a noise. And your idea about using an outboard phantom supply might be on the right track, too, and will be implemented before the S16 behavior changes. I don't have one, either, but if you can switch back and forth between non-phantomed sources and not get a pop, those mics and DI's on a supply shouldn't behave any differently. Maybe I'm wrong again, though.</p><p></p><p>Learn something new about this console nearly every day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dan Mortensen, post: 120969, member: 2826"] Re: S16 and phantom pops [SIZE=1][FONT=courier new]I don't get why you're getting pops from phantom power. The mics are still connected to the S16 and shouldn't be losing phantom. What's being switched is the digital output of the S16, not the inputs to the phantom-powered XLR's. Or at least that's how it should work. What firmware are you using? [/FONT][/SIZE]EDIT: Disregard that tiny type above; I was completely wrong. It's funny how my natural expectations of how this console works are so often the opposite of what actually happens. I set up 3 S16's just as you described and ran 4 phantom powered mics into each of the last two (Channels 17-32) and switched input sources back and forth between them. Sure enough, phantom disappears on the previous S16 and appears on the current S16. There is indeed a pop happening, and I think it's happening as the new S16 powers up rather than from the old one powering down. The pop varies in intensity depending on how long it is between switchings. Sometimes it was big, sometimes not so big, but always audible. Regardless, there is a thing happening there that is solvable, but you will need to change your behavior a little bit. Clearly you cannot make a seamless transition from one S16 to another with all channels live when using anything phantom powered. You do need to mute the channels in some way, and the two ways are mute group or individual channel mutes if you are using any outputs that are not post fader sends, with DCA mutes as an additional option if you use only post fader outputs. (DCA mutes don't mute pre-fader outputs.) I didn't try it without anything phantom powered. It is probably not a reasonable expectation to be able to switch back and forth between input sources with live channels, anyway. I bet if the phantom power stayed on on the unused S16, you might not hear a noise. And your idea about using an outboard phantom supply might be on the right track, too, and will be implemented before the S16 behavior changes. I don't have one, either, but if you can switch back and forth between non-phantomed sources and not get a pop, those mics and DI's on a supply shouldn't behave any differently. Maybe I'm wrong again, though. Learn something new about this console nearly every day. [/QUOTE]
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