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<blockquote data-quote="Christopher Dean" data-source="post: 121111" data-attributes="member: 2703"><p>Re: S16 and phantom pops</p><p></p><p>This has been a very enlightening and thought provoking discussion, many thanks to everyone for intelligently debating a practise that most of us blindly adhere to out of tradition.</p><p></p><p>I think there is a tendency to believe that if we <em>didn't</em> need to pay lots of attention to phantom power then why would the manufacturers spend money putting switches on the boards? Of course, anyone building a console that didn't have switched phantom power wouldn't sell any, so that answers that question....</p><p></p><p>At risk of prolonging the discussion, what are the experiences with ribbon mics and phantom power? </p><p>There does seem to be a case to be made for not having phantom power on ribbon mics, mostly while plugging them in, unplugging them, and patching them. The reason given, is that its possible for the cable/patch bay to briefly put phantom power on the wrong pins and so destroy the ribbon.</p><p>I have read that, except for some rare, vintage, center tapped transformer coupled ribbon mics, (like, we all have a few of those to use with our X32's), phantom power is said to not damage ribbon mics on its own. It needs help in the form of a TRS patch bay, or something else like an xlr cable miswired or with certain pins slightly longer than others. Apparently, its the power finding an alternate path that can kill them.</p><p></p><p>The only other thing with leaving phantom on, is the loud bangs and pops when plugging <em>anything</em> into the inputs without the inputs muted. Of course that's a bad thing anyway.</p><p>Anyone in the room who has <em>never</em> done this, put your hand up.... I thought so... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Just about the same number that have never accidentally left the phantom on when not needed, or forgot to turn it on when it was, adjusted the eq when its bypassed, etc... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Neat trick with setting phantom in the pre-amp pages independent of the control surface settings. That's ingenious.</p><p></p><p>Christopher</p><p></p><p>Edit: I was typing this when Misja posted about ribbon mics, similar thoughts at similar times...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Christopher Dean, post: 121111, member: 2703"] Re: S16 and phantom pops This has been a very enlightening and thought provoking discussion, many thanks to everyone for intelligently debating a practise that most of us blindly adhere to out of tradition. I think there is a tendency to believe that if we [I]didn't[/I] need to pay lots of attention to phantom power then why would the manufacturers spend money putting switches on the boards? Of course, anyone building a console that didn't have switched phantom power wouldn't sell any, so that answers that question.... At risk of prolonging the discussion, what are the experiences with ribbon mics and phantom power? There does seem to be a case to be made for not having phantom power on ribbon mics, mostly while plugging them in, unplugging them, and patching them. The reason given, is that its possible for the cable/patch bay to briefly put phantom power on the wrong pins and so destroy the ribbon. I have read that, except for some rare, vintage, center tapped transformer coupled ribbon mics, (like, we all have a few of those to use with our X32's), phantom power is said to not damage ribbon mics on its own. It needs help in the form of a TRS patch bay, or something else like an xlr cable miswired or with certain pins slightly longer than others. Apparently, its the power finding an alternate path that can kill them. The only other thing with leaving phantom on, is the loud bangs and pops when plugging [I]anything[/I] into the inputs without the inputs muted. Of course that's a bad thing anyway. Anyone in the room who has [I]never[/I] done this, put your hand up.... I thought so... :) Just about the same number that have never accidentally left the phantom on when not needed, or forgot to turn it on when it was, adjusted the eq when its bypassed, etc... :) Neat trick with setting phantom in the pre-amp pages independent of the control surface settings. That's ingenious. Christopher Edit: I was typing this when Misja posted about ribbon mics, similar thoughts at similar times... [/QUOTE]
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