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<blockquote data-quote="James Drake" data-source="post: 57856" data-attributes="member: 1917"><p>re: X32 Discussion</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So the fan on the x32 only spins up when the board is at some temperature? Below this the fan is not spinning at all, or just very slowly? Nice to hear the S16 has no fan, so they could be used in a studio recording room where no noise at all is the goal?</p><p></p><p>Respectfully, regarding the clocking, I am after a more technical understanding of how it works, but also how it is implemented with the Behringer setup. You say there is no need to go into settings, but are there any settings at all?</p><p></p><p>I was looking here:</p><p><a href="http://www.aes-media.org/sections/uk/Conf2011/Presentation_PDFs/07%20-%20Al%20Walker%20-%20Applications%20in%20Live%20Convert%20Sound.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.aes-media.org/sections/uk/Conf2011/Presentation_PDFs/07 - Al Walker - Applications in Live Convert Sound.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>Page 17 shows the pinout for AES50 signal on an RJ45, and this shows that technically a crossover cable should be required to connect two pieces of equipment. Since this is never mentioned anywhere I guess the AES50 connections are "auto sensing" and compensate automatically when not using crossover cables, similar to the Ethernet cards in most current computers?</p><p></p><p>Traditional best practice for clocking is to have one central source and distribution point, then every piece of gear takes a feed of wordclock.</p><p></p><p>Of course it it possible to "daisy chain" wordclock, and I'm sure many people work like this. The problem is though that often it can be unclear if a wordclock "output" is simply just a "thru" or if it is separate output, and if it is an output, is it a buffered version of the input, or a regenerated one, or something else?</p><p></p><p>Theoretically through daisy chaining wordclock, propagation delay can occur. Whereby the last device in an IN-OUT-IN-OUT chain can receive wordclock slightly late compared with the first device in the chain.</p><p></p><p>That PDF about MIDAS and AES50 says that there are no clocking issues with large systems only connected by AES50, but it doesn't say why.</p><p></p><p>Still, there must be one clock master, and I feel uneasy about letting the system choose for me.</p><p></p><p>As it stands, the behringer system of X32 and S16 units has no clock inputs, so they clearly see it as being standalone without the option of integration into a larger production. However, there is always the option of using your Behringer system as a clock source for other gear, there is an AES out on the X32 and ADAT on the S16. If for example I had two X32 and four S16 all connected together, I would like to know who is the clock master out of all of that, then I can lock anything else I would like to the clock master.</p><p></p><p>Alternativelly, with something like the Klark Tecknik DN9650, if you introduce that anywhere in the AES50 chain, can that then become clock master and everything else slave? Then it would be possible to lock your whole behringer system to one wordclock or video in?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Drake, post: 57856, member: 1917"] re: X32 Discussion So the fan on the x32 only spins up when the board is at some temperature? Below this the fan is not spinning at all, or just very slowly? Nice to hear the S16 has no fan, so they could be used in a studio recording room where no noise at all is the goal? Respectfully, regarding the clocking, I am after a more technical understanding of how it works, but also how it is implemented with the Behringer setup. You say there is no need to go into settings, but are there any settings at all? I was looking here: [url]http://www.aes-media.org/sections/uk/Conf2011/Presentation_PDFs/07%20-%20Al%20Walker%20-%20Applications%20in%20Live%20Convert%20Sound.pdf[/url] Page 17 shows the pinout for AES50 signal on an RJ45, and this shows that technically a crossover cable should be required to connect two pieces of equipment. Since this is never mentioned anywhere I guess the AES50 connections are "auto sensing" and compensate automatically when not using crossover cables, similar to the Ethernet cards in most current computers? Traditional best practice for clocking is to have one central source and distribution point, then every piece of gear takes a feed of wordclock. Of course it it possible to "daisy chain" wordclock, and I'm sure many people work like this. The problem is though that often it can be unclear if a wordclock "output" is simply just a "thru" or if it is separate output, and if it is an output, is it a buffered version of the input, or a regenerated one, or something else? Theoretically through daisy chaining wordclock, propagation delay can occur. Whereby the last device in an IN-OUT-IN-OUT chain can receive wordclock slightly late compared with the first device in the chain. That PDF about MIDAS and AES50 says that there are no clocking issues with large systems only connected by AES50, but it doesn't say why. Still, there must be one clock master, and I feel uneasy about letting the system choose for me. As it stands, the behringer system of X32 and S16 units has no clock inputs, so they clearly see it as being standalone without the option of integration into a larger production. However, there is always the option of using your Behringer system as a clock source for other gear, there is an AES out on the X32 and ADAT on the S16. If for example I had two X32 and four S16 all connected together, I would like to know who is the clock master out of all of that, then I can lock anything else I would like to the clock master. Alternativelly, with something like the Klark Tecknik DN9650, if you introduce that anywhere in the AES50 chain, can that then become clock master and everything else slave? Then it would be possible to lock your whole behringer system to one wordclock or video in? [/QUOTE]
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