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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Eskam" data-source="post: 60225" data-attributes="member: 2124"><p>re: X32 Discussion</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At this price if they are that concerned just have a spare board. Seriously. But in reading through threads and seeing pictures of the insides, it looks like it is modular. If you go back a page or two in talking about he channel 16/32 problem someone (Christian?) mentioned it's built in blocks of 8.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Either in this thread or the introductions thread focused on Uli, he mentioned that they took the old Midas manufacturing space (edit: in Germany) and repurposed it as break/fix/repair/service. Uli and other Music Group folks have repeatedly stated that they intend to repair and not replace as much as in the past as they have found most of the time equipment turned in for repair is perfectly fine. I can believe that having done IT support either directly or as running large help desks for over 20 years now.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Depending on where they are going that can be a religious argument. I dunno, for me it's pretty moot. I can get the X32, their digital snake and in ear monitors for LESS than what most comparable boards cost by themselves. Since we don't have in ear monitors and are analog, I have no legacy gear to worry about and going all Behringer isn't a big deal. Maybe it's a glib answer if you have legacy gear tied together with something like DANTE. They need to be more specific 8)~<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" />~<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /> The X32 will easily integrate with your computer network - just look at all the posts on iPad and PC control.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a BRAND NEW platform. And a complex one, at an until now unheard of price point. There are going to be issues - I don't care if it was Apple, BMW or who. It's just the way things are. If you aren't willing to be flexible and work around issues as they crop up then go with a more established board. That's my advice for ANY manufacturer. It always amuses me when people who have no patience and just want things to work flawlessly out of the box with no excuses ever insist on being on the cutting edge of any technology. It's just not a realistic or practical attitude. Having said that, go follow the posts from Christian - he's had an earlier console for a while and beat on it pretty good and it's given him relatively few fits, so I'm not overly concerned. If you or your band mates are highly risk adverse, this probably isn't the console for you just yet. Let it bake a little bit more.</p><p></p><p>Me, especially for the price, as soon as I can swing the funds I'm going to risk it 8)~<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" />~<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not anti-android - my work phone is Android and it works fine - heck there are actually parts of it I like better than my iPhone and I honestly didn't expect that when I first got it (I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I am a geek at heart). But realize, for now, iOS is probably going to be where companies focus first. More people with iOS devices <a href="http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-13/tech/31158768_1_ios-android-ipad" target="_blank">use their devices as smart phones</a> despite Androids larger unit volume and that's where companies tend to see the majority of activity - and thus that drives their priorities. And whether Android fans want to admit it or not, the plethora of different models of Android devices compounded by many devices being stranded on older OS versions (Motorola, I'm looking at your sad, pathetic record but they are unfortunately not alone) complicate development further. Apple tends to have one or two devices per year, and supports them longer than most Android manufacturers. They have also structured their ecosystem (small number of devices, over the air updates, seamless experience) that within months of a major OS release, the vast majority of their devices are on the same OS - that's a huge advantage!</p><p></p><p>That's the practical reality, not one driven by fanboi love or bias. Companies like Uli's have limited resources - there just trying to get the base product off the ground and get the manual written at this point :lol: I'm sure they will come out with an Android app eventually - but all of the above are definitely contributors. Please be patient - many of the issues they face are out of their control. If anything, you need to be upset at Google and the phone manufacturers for not helping Android have a more united front on OS versions and base functionality. Given so many Android devices tend to be more "value oriented", and that there are so many variations from manufacturers, and that carriers and retailers would rather just sell you a new device, there seems to be little incentive unfortunately. Thankfully with Jelly Bean, the core Android experience seems to have matured enough that hopefully things like touch wiz, sense and moto blur will fade away. I fear it's going to be like crack - with no other way to differentiate themselves, manufacturers may feel compelled to hang on. Ugh...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Eskam, post: 60225, member: 2124"] re: X32 Discussion At this price if they are that concerned just have a spare board. Seriously. But in reading through threads and seeing pictures of the insides, it looks like it is modular. If you go back a page or two in talking about he channel 16/32 problem someone (Christian?) mentioned it's built in blocks of 8. Either in this thread or the introductions thread focused on Uli, he mentioned that they took the old Midas manufacturing space (edit: in Germany) and repurposed it as break/fix/repair/service. Uli and other Music Group folks have repeatedly stated that they intend to repair and not replace as much as in the past as they have found most of the time equipment turned in for repair is perfectly fine. I can believe that having done IT support either directly or as running large help desks for over 20 years now. Depending on where they are going that can be a religious argument. I dunno, for me it's pretty moot. I can get the X32, their digital snake and in ear monitors for LESS than what most comparable boards cost by themselves. Since we don't have in ear monitors and are analog, I have no legacy gear to worry about and going all Behringer isn't a big deal. Maybe it's a glib answer if you have legacy gear tied together with something like DANTE. They need to be more specific 8)~8-)~:cool: The X32 will easily integrate with your computer network - just look at all the posts on iPad and PC control. It's a BRAND NEW platform. And a complex one, at an until now unheard of price point. There are going to be issues - I don't care if it was Apple, BMW or who. It's just the way things are. If you aren't willing to be flexible and work around issues as they crop up then go with a more established board. That's my advice for ANY manufacturer. It always amuses me when people who have no patience and just want things to work flawlessly out of the box with no excuses ever insist on being on the cutting edge of any technology. It's just not a realistic or practical attitude. Having said that, go follow the posts from Christian - he's had an earlier console for a while and beat on it pretty good and it's given him relatively few fits, so I'm not overly concerned. If you or your band mates are highly risk adverse, this probably isn't the console for you just yet. Let it bake a little bit more. Me, especially for the price, as soon as I can swing the funds I'm going to risk it 8)~8-)~:cool: I'm not anti-android - my work phone is Android and it works fine - heck there are actually parts of it I like better than my iPhone and I honestly didn't expect that when I first got it (I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I am a geek at heart). But realize, for now, iOS is probably going to be where companies focus first. More people with iOS devices [URL="http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-13/tech/31158768_1_ios-android-ipad"]use their devices as smart phones[/URL] despite Androids larger unit volume and that's where companies tend to see the majority of activity - and thus that drives their priorities. And whether Android fans want to admit it or not, the plethora of different models of Android devices compounded by many devices being stranded on older OS versions (Motorola, I'm looking at your sad, pathetic record but they are unfortunately not alone) complicate development further. Apple tends to have one or two devices per year, and supports them longer than most Android manufacturers. They have also structured their ecosystem (small number of devices, over the air updates, seamless experience) that within months of a major OS release, the vast majority of their devices are on the same OS - that's a huge advantage! That's the practical reality, not one driven by fanboi love or bias. Companies like Uli's have limited resources - there just trying to get the base product off the ground and get the manual written at this point :lol: I'm sure they will come out with an Android app eventually - but all of the above are definitely contributors. Please be patient - many of the issues they face are out of their control. If anything, you need to be upset at Google and the phone manufacturers for not helping Android have a more united front on OS versions and base functionality. Given so many Android devices tend to be more "value oriented", and that there are so many variations from manufacturers, and that carriers and retailers would rather just sell you a new device, there seems to be little incentive unfortunately. Thankfully with Jelly Bean, the core Android experience seems to have matured enough that hopefully things like touch wiz, sense and moto blur will fade away. I fear it's going to be like crack - with no other way to differentiate themselves, manufacturers may feel compelled to hang on. Ugh... [/QUOTE]
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