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<blockquote data-quote="Dan Mortensen" data-source="post: 83919" data-attributes="member: 2826"><p>Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hi Shane,</p><p></p><p>Thanks, but if you look at my post just above yours, I feel I did research what was needed and went beyond what <strong>everything</strong> from Behringer said was sufficient.</p><p></p><p>The funny thing is that I <strong>don't</strong> feel like I'm having a ton of problems, or that the snake problem that I've experienced is something I'm not willing to live with (as long as it doesn't get worse by randomly occurring as a couple people have alleged). There are pluses and minuses with any system, and from talking with guys who do have the $50,000 and more digital mixers, nothing is foolproof and nothing always, always works. I still think the X32 is a remarkable console, and remarkable for the money.</p><p></p><p>I <strong>do</strong> feel that the digital console world is mysterious and has rules and procedures that I am not previously aware of, which I perceive as a series of problems to be solved. I feel like I've been diligently doing that, one by one, and feel pretty good about where I and my company are right now in that regard.</p><p></p><p>What I'm not liking, which was expressed in the posts above, is that as of today the rules for a very important part of the system have changed, and were apparently misrepresented all along, after I'm committed down a path (Cat5e of whatever unshielded kind) which has worked well so far but is apparently the wrong one.</p><p></p><p>And, unlike you, while on this path so far my company has done a number of shows, something like 60 or 70 band sets over maybe 400+ hours, and except for one occasion during setup, all consoles and snakes have performed flawlessly. Most of those shows have been high-pressure, with a lot on the line, and the consoles made them easy. </p><p></p><p>I do use cable mats and ramps when appropriate and always have and always will run AC from the stage, just like you. I don't use reels, all unused cable is either in a case figure 8'd, or on the deck figure 8'd (cases have cutouts for cable throughput, if that's the right word). My peers around here who have seen my rigs are always impressed with the state of my cables of all kinds, and I've apparently given the wrong impression about the harsh way I treat my snakes, which is not harsh at all. I'm still periodically using an analog 27 pair snake that I built in 1980. </p><p></p><p>However, I absolutely feel a snake system which has been properly built should be able to stand some abuse, without affecting function or longevity. That's why we use SOOWA and similar AC cable (along with the legality thing), not SJO or vinyl.</p><p></p><p>No question there'll be surprises along the way, it's just very disappointing when they are created by the guys who are supposed to be on your side, and who have previously amply demonstrated that they are committed to helping us succeed.</p><p></p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Dan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dan Mortensen, post: 83919, member: 2826"] Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type Hi Shane, Thanks, but if you look at my post just above yours, I feel I did research what was needed and went beyond what [B]everything[/B] from Behringer said was sufficient. The funny thing is that I [B]don't[/B] feel like I'm having a ton of problems, or that the snake problem that I've experienced is something I'm not willing to live with (as long as it doesn't get worse by randomly occurring as a couple people have alleged). There are pluses and minuses with any system, and from talking with guys who do have the $50,000 and more digital mixers, nothing is foolproof and nothing always, always works. I still think the X32 is a remarkable console, and remarkable for the money. I [B]do[/B] feel that the digital console world is mysterious and has rules and procedures that I am not previously aware of, which I perceive as a series of problems to be solved. I feel like I've been diligently doing that, one by one, and feel pretty good about where I and my company are right now in that regard. What I'm not liking, which was expressed in the posts above, is that as of today the rules for a very important part of the system have changed, and were apparently misrepresented all along, after I'm committed down a path (Cat5e of whatever unshielded kind) which has worked well so far but is apparently the wrong one. And, unlike you, while on this path so far my company has done a number of shows, something like 60 or 70 band sets over maybe 400+ hours, and except for one occasion during setup, all consoles and snakes have performed flawlessly. Most of those shows have been high-pressure, with a lot on the line, and the consoles made them easy. I do use cable mats and ramps when appropriate and always have and always will run AC from the stage, just like you. I don't use reels, all unused cable is either in a case figure 8'd, or on the deck figure 8'd (cases have cutouts for cable throughput, if that's the right word). My peers around here who have seen my rigs are always impressed with the state of my cables of all kinds, and I've apparently given the wrong impression about the harsh way I treat my snakes, which is not harsh at all. I'm still periodically using an analog 27 pair snake that I built in 1980. However, I absolutely feel a snake system which has been properly built should be able to stand some abuse, without affecting function or longevity. That's why we use SOOWA and similar AC cable (along with the legality thing), not SJO or vinyl. No question there'll be surprises along the way, it's just very disappointing when they are created by the guys who are supposed to be on your side, and who have previously amply demonstrated that they are committed to helping us succeed. Thanks, Dan [/QUOTE]
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