Stackable Line Array

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Fernando Lopez

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So I have the RCF NXL23 4 per side

I have an operation that is not big enough to fly them, but I need more output.

What options are there in stackable line arrays that I can use similar to the RCF NX Series

I would like to place 2 subs and up to 4 tops per side and center cluster more subs

I am doing fine for up to 1500 inside and around 500-600 outside with this system

What can I look at that is more powerful but remains stackable


Thanks,


PD: I also own 2 TH-118s, maybe get a couple more is an option and build something to stack the array on top? but I would like something neat like the NX
PD2: Point source is not an option, my clients all want line arrays regardless of anything else
 
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Evan Kirkendall said:
If your primary application is stacking, why on earth do you want a line array? Line arrays suck when ground stacked, IMO. I'd be looking at "big boy" trap boxes if you're always gonna be stacking.



Evan
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Fernando Lopez said:
PD2: Point source is not an option, my clients all want line arrays regardless of anything else
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The client is always right, even when what they want is the wrong approach...
From a business perspective, it only makes sense to have what the clients are requesting.
 
Re: Stackable Line Array

Evan Kirkendall said:
If your primary application is stacking, why on earth do you want a line array? Line arrays suck when ground stacked, IMO. I'd be looking at "big boy" trap boxes if you're always gonna be stacking.



Evan
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Hi Evan. I understand your reasoning, but........

I have 4 ZX5-60s with 2 TH-118s. I offer that system for crowds up to 400 but none of my regular clients want it. I have thought for a long time of getting either QRX212s or some danley tops (like SH-50s, 2 per side). But it would not help me unfortunately. BTW The ZX5s do not have the output to match the TH-118s center clustered :)

When I purchased the NX system last year my business started to grow. I am at a point where I am still a home-office type of company. I can setup 2 gigs with audio and lights for about 500-600 each (indoors) or a big one of about 1200 (indoors) with what I have.

My clients have quoted me for 2000 and 3000 indoors, and 1500 outdoors (sweet 16s, high schools, fayres, college parties, music groups, etc) and I have 2 options (as I see it). Either complete my system which goes to 8 arrays per side and get motors and bigger trussing or get a similar system which will go louder and occupy about the same space.

The NXs versatility has been wonderful for me, but I am being left out of bigger events that I know I could do with the same amount of boxes, just a more powerful system.

I have thought about the Dynacord Cobra or RCF TT, and will now look into the DVA, Turbosound Flex Array and other suggestions that come to me

My original pruchase of the ZX5 and TH-118s came from the forums, The RCF NX purchase came from gig experience.

My favorite sounding system that I have right now are ZX5 tops over TH-minis clustered.

I have exchanged emails with other forum members regarding dollys to place the NX on top of the Danley subs but they do not have the presence that the NX system has, which is what I am looking for

I still have some thinking to do


Thanks for everyones help!!!
 
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Hi Fernando:

IMO, your self-powered line array system will continue to grow your business and be by far the easiest thing to deploy in the greatest number of circumstances. Consistency in your inventory will make your life much easier and allow you to scale your system without issue. I also own and love the TH118's, but the cute little subs that are designed for my particular line array system paid for themselves quite a while ago in ground stack situations where other sub locations were out of the question. More often than not, no one cares about power alley or anything other than the fact that you:

1. Get there on time.
2. Setup quickly and competently.

I did a vocal oriented theater w/ balcony gig recently that had wonderful hang points for my line array, but mgt didn't want to spend for the riggers, so this happened:

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Coverage was about +/- 4dB throughout when it could have been +/- 2dB, but no one cared and I got paid with money and smiles.

Using this same system minus the speaker stands (cute subs) and adding TH118's (real subs) comfortably covers thousands. It is very simple to scale this kind of thing as needed.

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Grooveshark_Subs.jpg
 
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Fernando Lopez said:
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So I have the RCF NXL23 4 per side

I have an operation that is not big enough to fly them, but I need more output.

What options are there in stackable line arrays that I can use similar to the RCF NX Series

I would like to place 2 subs and up to 4 tops per side and center cluster more subs

I am doing fine for up to 1500 inside and around 500-600 outside with this system

What can I look at that is more powerful but remains stackable


Thanks,


PD: I also own 2 TH-118s, maybe get a couple more is an option and build something to stack the array on top? but I would like something neat like the NX
PD2: Point source is not an option, my clients all want line arrays regardless of anything else
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Here are some suggestions –

Flex Array- sounds great, goes loud, excellent throw, great rigging, can be used as a single box – the 3 way passive box using the Lake processor is by far the best.

dBTechnologies T12 –will throw as far as the Flex but it’s not quite as loud and the sound quality is probably not quite as good, but it’s up there. It’s powered and a very manageable size and weight; a lot of performance for the price.

db audiotechnick V series – only had a quick play with these - first impressions - as loud if not a bit louder than the flex in a similar size package , great sound, rider friend and a big price.

Just to put the performance in perspective – you have 4 x RCF NXL23 per side, this is what 4 x Flex a side will do - just (not my favorite music but it will give you some idea despite being recorded on a iPhone)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amvqeBze7U&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL62002091B40C65BA

Peter
 
Re: Stackable Line Array

Silas Pradetto said:
So far, I'm a big fan of Vertec with V5 presets. Simply owning a Vertec rig is guaranteed business. The VT4888s are a tad annoying to stack, but it can be done; I've done up to 6 ground stacked. Bring your muscles if that's what you intend to do.
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We build them on the the ground, then "Iwo Jima" the train upright on a stage deck section. We use a fork lift to raise them (in place, no driving) and put scaffold or subs or whatever they sit on underneath and then lower the lift. I've also seen Genie material lifts used to raise a few boxes at a time.
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
We build them on the the ground, then "Iwo Jima" the train upright on a stage deck section. We use a fork lift to raise them (in place, no driving) and put scaffold or subs or whatever they sit on underneath and then lower the lift. I've also seen Genie material lifts used to raise a few boxes at a time.
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I guess my experiences with a ladder keep me in shape :lol:
 
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Hi Jason - I have a very small company - audio is just (24) KF730's, (8) TH118's, (8) SB730's and some smaller stuff.

What's important is that I have friends with more! :)

That cross-rental consideration is huge - you want the equipment you have to be working, not waiting for a handful of big gigs each year.
 
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Mike Pyle said:
Fernando,

Have you tried stacking more than 4 of the NXL23A?
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No I have not, stacking 4 is a hard job because of the height even when using a ladder, stacking 5 is more of a risk

But if I did I have no doubt I could stack up to 6 easily

I would need to have a high stage, subs on the ground and start stacking at the height of both subs to be able to do that

Thanks,
 
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Flex Array on carts we designed. Carts carry 4 high. Roll 2 carts into place. Slide outriggers into place. Here we have added a couple more boxes onto each stack. (Flex weigh 92 lbs.) We did a couple of thousand peeps outside with this. Had about 6 to 8 db headroom.
 

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