X32 Discussion

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Christian Boche said:
Time to celebrate a litte anniversary…yesterday I did the twentieth gig with a X32:)
I tried really hard to discover or even provoke any flaws or problems with the console, but there aren’t any! OK, as far as I can tell of course. I even pulled the FiWi cabel during a multitrack recording in the middle of the soundcheck and plugged it back, just to see what will happen…but the X32 doesn’t care at all. Recorded simultaniously with the build in 2Track USB recorder and did a 28 track recording over the USB port on the X32 recording card on my crappy Acer One Notebook…this thing has only a Intel Atom CPU but it works like a charme with the X32.
After 20 gigs with the desk my bottom line is:
If you are looking for a new mixer, than check the X32. You may be surprised:)

BTW: I did two „very impressive videos“ with my mobil phone yesterday…low resolution and in mono. So please don't comment on the sound. At least you can see, the X32 get’s the job done.

"PLAN B" live in Amern - YouTube

"PLAN B" live in Amern - YouTube

Christian
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In the first video at about 24 sec. you can see the channel page. Can you move the faders in this page to mix? I was wondering if you can mix all 32 channels from the display so you wouldn't have to change layers on the "real" faders.

Douglas R. Allen
 
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Douglas R. Allen said:
In the first video at about 24 sec. you can see the channel page. Can you move the faders in this page to mix? I was wondering if you can mix all 32 channels from the display so you wouldn't have to change layers on the "real" faders.

Douglas R. Allen
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Actually it's one of the the meter pages, but yes, you could use the editor software and mix all 32 inputs in this page. I will post a small video about the remote software. It is still in beta, some features are missing, but the basics work already.
Christian
 
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Jörgen Gustavsson said:
Was it the same band/artist on all 20 gig?
If not, did You start with clean channels or with last setup on soundcheck?
Are the board easy and fast to use (tweaking eq, dynamic and so on)?

Jörgen
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Basically, when I got a new mixer to review, the first thing that I set up, are some standard channels with EQ&Dynamcis. The X32 has a nice library with lot of options (f.e. you can load channels without changeing the headamp gain. This is similar to what DigiCo calls particial loading). So I done that and start with these defaults, when dealing with a new band. I did different bands and even stand up comedians with the board. To me the X32 is easy and quick to set up, but this is quite subjectiv. Today I will mix the band in the videos again.
Christian
 
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Christian Boche said:
No, you can't. But maybe this might come in the next version of the editor (which is still in beta).
Christian
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Are you referring to the remote editor? I was thinking of the channel page on the mixer as shown in "PLAN B" live in Amern - YouTube . I take it that the channel page as shown in the video is where you will have the display set most of the time when not tweaking specifics?


Christian Boche said:
Here is a small vid of the editor-->

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21028604/X32_Remote.mp4
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Nice, can it be expanded to show all channel faders or is it strictly limited to show a representation of the console? Any indication from Behringer that this software will be released before we get to unpack our new shiny consoles (CAN'T WAIT)
 
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where you will have the display set most of the time when not tweaking specifics?
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At least, that's how I roll:) I like this page, cause it shows all input meters and the gain reduction (compressor&gate) of all 32 input channels.
I got no word concerning the release date of the editor. I just know that it is free and you don't have to run any windows installer. Just download it, unzipp it, hit the Remote icon and
you are ready to go:)
 
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And here is one for the R&D guys:
Are the ADs, the DAs etc. hard wired to the sampling rate or would it be possible in theory to have a software upgrade some time in the future that would allow you to switch to 88.2/96 KHz reducing the channel count to half for studio purposes?
 
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I'm not the R&D, but at the back of my mind I think I heard, that theoretical 88.2/96 KHz is possible, but with the downside of the cut to half of the channel cout.
 
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Per Søvik said:
And here is one for the R&D guys:
Are the ADs, the DAs etc. hard wired to the sampling rate or would it be possible in theory to have a software upgrade some time in the future that would allow you to switch to 88.2/96 KHz reducing the channel count to half for studio purposes?
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I don't want to derail the thread, but 96K IMHO makes for a lovely marketing tool which manufacturers are happy to sell you, despite having minimal audio benefit in most normal circumstances. There are a hundred other factors in the sound creation/capture/reproduction process that make much more difference in perceived sound quality than this - even down to less obvious things like A/D converters and the like which can be tough to distinguish between. Being "limited" to 44.1/48K is really no big deal, and certainly not worth sacrificing half of your channels over.

Sorry for the tangent.
 
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How can You do stereo linking of input channels on X32?
* One odd channel and next even channel (ch5 and ch6)
* One even channel and next odd channel (ch4 and ch5)
* No restrictions (ch5 and ch21)

Can You use one Mixbus in stereo, only occupy one fader.
Or do You have to link them together. Any linking restrictions?
 
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Jörgen Gustavsson said:
How can You do stereo linking of input channels on X32?
* One odd channel and next even channel (ch5 and ch6)
* One even channel and next odd channel (ch4 and ch5)
* No restrictions (ch5 and ch21)

Can You use one Mixbus in stereo, only occupy one fader.
Or do You have to link them together. Any linking restrictions?
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It's only "One odd channel and next even channel". But if patch your inputs first and than you see, that it won't work that way, just re-route the inputs in the desk, and you have those inputs close to each other for linking.-->



Look at the small channel LCDs. In normal mode, they would only display f.e. "Channel 5: Bass". If you reroute the inputs, in this case the Bass Signal comes from inputs 17, the hint "in17" is given, so that you instantly see, what physical inputs is driving your channel. Very cool in my eyes. Same goes for "Sends on fader". In this picture, I activated "Sends on fader" and selected Bus2. "Bus2" will be also displayed, as long you are in "sends on fader" mode and Bus2 is selected.
For linking two Mixbusses to one stereo bus (InEar Monitoring f.e.) you just select one of them and hit the "link" button, displayed in the main LCD. Very easy and intutive. Personally I don't like the idea of setting up a mixbus in stereo and use just one fader for it. I'm an old fart and the next time I come back to this mix-scene I will wondering, why the heck Mixbus2 is not working (cause it is linked to Mixbus 2 and I forgot about it). Anyway, the X32 is build to be to get the job done quick...routing until you are in Nirvana is not doable with the X32. You find some restrictions on the boad (the FX return channels are also fix). Imho "Routing Fans" should go with a DigiCo console:)

BTW: Gig #21 accomplished:) This time I used the remote Editor for setting the monitor gains. I layed out a CAT5 cable and did it on stage. Easy job, but the band uses only two conventional monitors along to their InEar monitor set up. By now, the Remote editor is not resizeable. It just fits on my IBM X41 tablet PC (12,1"), so it wont work with a small netbook (10" or so). I doubt, that the software will resizable one day. It is like the Editor for the Roland M-Mixers.


Here's a picture of the monitor setup: Yamaha 01V96+ one Behringer ADA8000 input extension. Below a rack of splitters. Can't imagine, how easy the setup would be, if the band would use a X-16 (the 19 U Version of the X32). Less gear - more sound.



One vid of the show, same band - different tent:)

PLAN_B live in Kirspe.oder wie datt da heißt:) - YouTube






 
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What is the word on the X16?
Is it just a control surface for the S16 stage box or is a stand alone unit? 16 preamps and (hopefully) 8 or more outs?

Thanks;
Douglas R. Allen
 
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Christian Boche said:
It's only "One odd channel and next even channel".
Anyway, the X32 is build to be to get the job done quick...routing until you are in Nirvana is not doable with the X32.
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Normaly it's best to do it at a simple way. But I thinking on situations then you e.g. use 12 monochannels and 4 stereochannels.
As it is today you have to switch between laýers to do adjustments.
If you could link stereochannels between layers, perhaps linking same channelposition on both layers(e.g. ch2 and ch18), you could stay most of the time on one layer.

Another qustion take us near to "routing until you are in Nirvana".
Can X32 act as a crossover? Thinking of routing LR to Matrix, put low cut and high cut , route Matrix to Output XLR. Could latency increase?
If it works:
Practical if you got active speakers without build in crossover.
Even if you have full range Pa you could connect fill in speakers, that don't are full range, through Matrix chain.
There are many different setups. You can even trim Level and eq in listening position.
 
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I got you, I do the "linking channels between" between layer on other boards too. It would have been nice, to have at least a custom fader layer, but it was a design decision, to keep the board simple.
As a workaround I use lot's of DCAs. I re-routed the mixbus send level for the tap delay on DCA fader No. 8, this way I rarley switch layers at all, even with this 28inputs Top40 Band.

Concerning X32 as crossover. Yes, the signalflow works and there would be no added latency, if you stick with the 6band fully parametric EQ on the matrix. If you insert a GEQ, this would add about 0.7ms latency.
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Christian Boche said:
I got you, I do the "linking channels between" between layer on other boards too. It would have been nice, to have at least a custom fader layer, but it was a design decision, to keep the board simple.
As a workaround I use lot's of DCAs. I re-routed the mixbus send level for the tap delay on DCA fader No. 8, this way I rarley switch layers at all, even with this 28inputs Top40 Band.

Concerning X32 as crossover. Yes, the signalflow works and there would be no added latency, if you stick with the 6band fully parametric EQ on the matrix. If you insert a GEQ, this would add about 0.7ms latency.
Christian
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Do you know what the low cut and high cut filters slopes are?
On my 01v96 I am able to make a basic 24db low cut filter at 100 hz using 2 filters on the desk. Something I did awhile ago.

01v96 Crossover Low Cut Filters

I also have a high cut stored as well if I need to use my desk on a system that has no crossovers. I do run into some from time to time.

As an example the low cut filters on a Studiolive is only 6db per octave while the 01v96 look to be around 18db per octave. ( Why I use 2 filters ) It would be handy to know the slopes.

Douglas R. Allen
 
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