Just noticed Carvin's line array is now in stock...anybody planning to try these things? :Carvin.com : TRX3210 3-WAY 1000W LINE ARRAY ELEMENT
Wonder if these are made or designed by TCS?
The horn waveguide and design look kinda meh, and based on the price and carvin's track record the components are probably not the most premium of options. It will probably sound and perform like a typical MI grade box in a "line array" format. I suspect a lot of these systems improperly deployed at biker fests and the like. We're all searching for that bargain product that performs beyond expectations, I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.
It's biggest problem, by far, is the fact that the boxes are square. Meaning that if you ground stack them (Which 99% probably will) you'll have a 0 degree splay. Which will be bad. Otoh, if you splay them, the fronts of the cabinets start separating which causes the line array principle to fall apart.
So basically there is no way to properly deploy these cabinets. I think Berhinger's POS-super-ultra-array will sound better than this one.
Vdosc separates the fronts not the backs, tell them they're doing it wrong.
Yes they did with the Vdosc, but everything L'Acoustic made since the Vdosc has made an attempt to keep the HF elements closer together. Coincidence? Since Vdosc was first on the market with the new multi-box line array concept, we will let some things like that slide. Also nobody minds too much because a single Vdosc has the HF horsepower to stand on it's own when the line source breaks down due to too much separation.
Even with Vdosc you really have to process your "J" section differently from your straighter sections to have a well balanced rig. Nobody is going to do that with the Carvin rig....
I think Berhinger's POS-super-ultra-array will sound better than this one.
Hi Tim, not to nit pick, but it would be wise to avoid calling the Behringer line array a POS until it has actually been out in the wild and you've heard it.
Agreed that it's not a good idea to evaluate things not yet heard or seen.
I agree with Silas, though, that "affordable" vertical arrays will be the death of our lower-end business. Why? Because in the eyes of a client, one vertical hang of speakers is identical to another. Why would they pay for VerTec, Vdosc, EV, Meyer or Eona ADR when Joe the Mixtwiddler has a vertical array he keeps in his garage and rents it out for $500 a nite?
I guess we're all fans of Berhinger now?
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We all have stories of "real gear" that has failed-and caused all different kinds of problems.I guess we're all fans of Berhinger now?
I'm bitter because last weekend an ADA8000 went tits up and fried two horn drivers on me. Every in and out on the thing started sending out digital hash at an extreme level.
And some gear fails with so much regularity you can set your watch by it.
I know that everything CAN fail. I just hate that I was reliant on a cheap piece that ended up damaging other parts of my rig. It was my fault totally and I can accept it. Just don't have to like it.
And to expand a bit using the car market again. There are a number of "fancy" cars that are always in the shop.I agree with you Tim. But i was struck by what Ivan said as well. I know i've certainly been guilty of the kind of thinking he describes. When the cheap gear fails, i think to myself 'yeah, that's a POS'. But when the Pricey stuff fails i tend to justify it as being the price you pay for working with higher end 'boutique' gear that isn't made in significant enough quantity to be able to wring out all the failure points.... This 'creative' logic is obviously being used to help me justify spending big dollars for something that broke.
Obviously, with the higher end stuff you hopefully get customer service to support the failure. And just as obviously there is a certain correlation between Price and Reliability. But there are obvious blind spots in all our thinking as well.
I keep thinking back to my experiences with some high end British Consoles [names redacted]. I've experienced so many power supply failures and ribbon cables falling off and all manner of other things that i cannot for a minute believe that i've been the only one to experience these. Yet, not only are they still making desks, they are among the first names people mention when speaking of their favorite gear. They certainly make some excellent products, but i can't help but believe there is also some unintentional bias being applied to help us justify our loyalty.
None of this is intended as an indictment of anyone, and i'm certainly as guilty as the next. Just a very interesting study in human nature.
My concerns with this box is: no mention of array prediction software, 2" coils on the 10s, calculated continuous output of 125dB (no qualifying data on that number) which means actual output is probably less. "17 Hz - 18.5 kHz (-10DB), 85 Hz - 16 kHz (-3 dB)" WTF? I don't see any mention of processor or processor settings either. Just slap some drivers in a box, copy a waveguide design, and make some ad copy.