List of digital consoles

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Sounds like a worthwhile endeavor, Harry. It would be great to have a "list" of current digital consoles and their features, just like the community of enthusiasts for a certain black rifle have their "List", so too can we have ours!

Let us know when you get it done :D~:-D~:grin:
 
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Justice C. Bigler said:
just like the community of enthusiasts for a certain black rifle have their "List", so too can we have ours!

Let us know when you get it done :D~:-D~:grin:
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Where can I find THAT list?

Yea, it's been said some consoles sound better than others. Some consoles are easier to use. Some are more reliable. Some are a better value. I bet there is a good all around desk right in the middle of all that.
 
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Hi Guys,

I can answer any BEHRINGER X32 series related questions.

The X32 family features:
40-Bit floating-point and near-zero overall latency (0.8 msec).

I hope it helps.

Best Regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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All X32 family information can be found on the following web links:

Behringer: X32 Family Page

Behringer: DIGITAL MIXER X32

X32:
I/O:
Max Inputs at Mix
40 (32 Mic, 6 1/4" Line, 2 USB Playback Return)
Analog Mic Preamps
32 (Recallable MIDAS Design)
Analog Outputs
16 XLR, 6 TRS 1/4", 2 XLR/TRS Control Room, 2 RCA
Dedicated Studio Monitor or "Cue Wedge" Output
Yes, XLR + TRS
Other Connectivity
2 x AES50 (Total 96x96 Digital I/O) + Expansion Slot

Buses:
Mix Busses
25 (25 = 16 Buss + 6 Matrix + LCR)
Matrix Mixes 6

FX:
FX - Total Number of FX
39
FX - Simultaneous FX
8 Stereo Slots (16 Mono Slots)
Recall
Full Recall (including fader and preamp)

Digital Snake Options:

Digital Snake Cost
$899 (16 inputs x 8 outputs) via built in AES50
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/S16.aspx

Personal Monitoring:
ULTRANET / POWERPLAY, also XiControl & XiQ app for iOS
$249 per P16-M
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/P16-M.aspx

Control Software:
iPad Control Yes
iPhone/iPod Touch App Yes
PC Control
Mac, PC, Linux

Other Features:
DCA Groups Yes - 8
Mute Groups 6
Motorized Faders Yes - 25
Multitrack Recording 32 x 32 Firewire + USB 2.0
DAW Control Yes
Recording Interface
32x32 Firewire and USB 2.0
2-Track USB Recorder Yes
LCD "Scribble Strips"
Yes - 29
Screen
7" Color TFT
Sends on Fader Yes
GEQ on Fader Yes
Assignable Controls
Yes - 4 Encoders + 8 Buttons on 3 layers
Internal X-Over Yes
I/O Card Expandability Yes

Specs:
Mix Bus
40 bit floating point
Sampling Rate (kHz)
44.1 / 48
Bit Depth
24 Bit
Latency
0.8 ms from local input to analog output
Weight
45.4 lbs.

I hope it helps.

Best Regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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harrybrilljr said:
Which ones are using floating point processors?
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Why specifically do you care? To a first approximation everything uses 40 bit floating point internally and converts to talk to the outside world. Except for some low end things like Presonus consoles which use 32 bit floating point. If it matters or not depends on exactly what processing is being done within the console.
 
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Paul Gotch said:
Why specifically do you care? To a first approximation everything uses 40 bit floating point internally and converts to talk to the outside world. Except for some low end things like Presonus consoles which use 32 bit floating point. If it matters or not depends on exactly what processing is being done within the console.
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Claims have been made by some that others are using fixed processors. Curious who is using what. Presonus isn't on my radar. LS9-32 is about as small as I can go. PM5D works for everything I do, but just because it's available and I know it well, doesn't mean it should be my first choice. I haven't seen 90%W of the digital consoles on the market. I saw an X32 the other day. Looks cheesy. The guy that had it liked it very much. Someone said they had fader issues and had to be sent in for repair often. Maybe a bad batch.
 
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Dear harrybrilljr,

The X32 has sold close to 30,000 units since release. We have actually had very few fader issues.

Best regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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harrybrilljr said:
Claims have been made by some that others are using fixed processors. Curious who is using what. Presonus isn't on my radar. LS9-32 is about as small as I can go. PM5D works for everything I do, but just because it's available and I know it well, doesn't mean it should be my first choice. I haven't seen 90%W of the digital consoles on the market. I saw an X32 the other day. Looks cheesy. The guy that had it liked it very much. Someone said they had fader issues and had to be sent in for repair often. Maybe a bad batch.
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The VENUE line uses a 48-bit fixed point mixer/processing with a 56-bit fixed point accumulator.... but still why do you think that matters?
 
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I saw the desk for the first time Sat. Scuttlebutt at FOH was these are having fader issues. Bad news travels fast. The guy that actually brought the desk liked it very much. A world class engineer with lots of snow on the mountain, I spoke with last week said it sounded very good. He was shocked and excited at the same time. I won't use his name here but if he reads this he may post himself. He can have any desk he wants. He was at a festival or a one off and they had this mixer and he liked it fine.

There is no doubt there is a reputation that is well earned. I have used small mixers 4 channels that sounded worse than any consumer electronics I've ever owned. Then there is this.....
http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/qu..._clipped-0facc277a2d383473148b0af63225f9d.jpg
http://www.copystars.com/images_products/behringer_cable_tester_ct100_b20006.jpg

Legal cases

In June 1997, Mackie accused Behringer of trademark and trade dress infringement, and brought suit seeking $327M in damages[15][16] but such claims were later rejected by the court. In their suit, Mackie said that Behringer had a history of copying products by other manufacturers and selling them as their own.[17] The Mackie suit detailed an instance in which Behringer was sued by Aphex Systems for copying the Aural Exciter Type F—in that case Aphex Systems won 690,000 Deutsche Mark.[17] The Mackie suit also mentioned similar cases filed by BBE, dbx and Drawmer.[17] On 30 November 1999, the U.S. District Court in Seattle, Washington, dismissed Mackie claims that Behringer had infringed on Mackie copyrights with its MX 8000 mixer, noting that circuit schematics are not covered by copyright laws.[18][19][20]

In 2005, Roland Corporation sued to enforce Roland's trade dress, trademark, and other intellectual property rights with regard to Behringer's recently released guitar pedals.[21] The two companies came to a confidential settlement in 2006 after Behringer changed their designs.[22]

In 2009 Peavey Electronics Corp. filed two lawsuits against various companies under Behringer/Music Group umbrella for patent infringement, federal and common law trademark infringement, false designation of origin, trademark dilution and unfair competition.[23] In 2011 The Music Group filed a lawsuit against Peavey for "false advertising, false patent marking and unfair competition".[24]

The law suits were valid. I walked into Thoroughbred music intending to buy some dbx166. Sales guy pushed hard for me to buy that MDX1000 autocom ( i still have) because it was "the same" only better and less money (read bigger spiffs for the sales guy). I bought it and it works fine. Later dbx sued behringer and Sam Ash, the national distributer (Thoroughbred became Sam Ash but that's unrelated)

Joe Sanborn said:
Dear harrybrilljr,

The X32 has sold close to 30,000 units since release. We have actually had very few fader issues.

Best regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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How many?
 
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Hi Harry-

There is a mega-thread in the Jr Varsity forum... almost 6,000 posts... that gets into all the new-release issues.

Yes, there were bad faders. Behringer is rolling their own, and it looks like they had a bad run of pieces that got installed in early production. The forum posts regarding faders stopped fairly quickly which leads me to believe that the number of defective faders was relatively small & that Behringer stepped up to service the defective consoles or that the folks with defective faders have stopped complaining (unlikely). They've built somewhere around 800k faders for the units sold so far.

I'm not a fan their historic R&D practices and the lack of service for their products, but it seems that Uli has a big enough war chest that he has decided to spend some of it re-making the support chain for their higher-end products. Time will tell if this is a sustainable model for them, but right now it's a welcome step in the right direction.

We've not bought any X32, but we'd consider them for work where the console would be exposed to conditions that would warrant a 'disposable' approach. Still waiting to see what longer-term issues surface before we put the desk on the to-be-considered list.
 
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harrybrilljr said:
I saw the desk for the first time Sat. Scuttlebutt at FOH was these are having fader issues. Bad news travels fast. The guy that actually brought the desk liked it very much. A world class engineer with lots of snow on the mountain, I spoke with last week said it sounded very good. He was shocked and excited at the same time. I won't use his name here but if he reads this he may post himself. He can have any desk he wants. He was at a festival or a one off and they had this mixer and he liked it fine.

There is no doubt there is a reputation that is well earned. I have used small mixers 4 channels that sounded worse than any consumer electronics I've ever owned. Then there is this.....
http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/qu..._clipped-0facc277a2d383473148b0af63225f9d.jpg
http://www.copystars.com/images_products/behringer_cable_tester_ct100_b20006.jpg

Legal cases

In June 1997, Mackie accused Behringer of trademark and trade dress infringement, and brought suit seeking $327M in damages[15][16] but such claims were later rejected by the court. In their suit, Mackie said that Behringer had a history of copying products by other manufacturers and selling them as their own.[17] The Mackie suit detailed an instance in which Behringer was sued by Aphex Systems for copying the Aural Exciter Type F—in that case Aphex Systems won 690,000 Deutsche Mark.[17] The Mackie suit also mentioned similar cases filed by BBE, dbx and Drawmer.[17] On 30 November 1999, the U.S. District Court in Seattle, Washington, dismissed Mackie claims that Behringer had infringed on Mackie copyrights with its MX 8000 mixer, noting that circuit schematics are not covered by copyright laws.[18][19][20]

In 2005, Roland Corporation sued to enforce Roland's trade dress, trademark, and other intellectual property rights with regard to Behringer's recently released guitar pedals.[21] The two companies came to a confidential settlement in 2006 after Behringer changed their designs.[22]

In 2009 Peavey Electronics Corp. filed two lawsuits against various companies under Behringer/Music Group umbrella for patent infringement, federal and common law trademark infringement, false designation of origin, trademark dilution and unfair competition.[23] In 2011 The Music Group filed a lawsuit against Peavey for "false advertising, false patent marking and unfair competition".[24]

The law suits were valid. I walked into Thoroughbred music intending to buy some dbx166. Sales guy pushed hard for me to buy that MDX1000 autocom ( i still have) because it was "the same" only better and less money (read bigger spiffs for the sales guy). I bought it and it works fine. Later dbx sued behringer and Sam Ash, the national distributer (Thoroughbred became Sam Ash but that's unrelated)



How many?
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Dear Harry,

Thanks for your feedback.

There are many misconceptions in regards to the topics you bring up.
Our CEO Uli Behringer has addressed these and the future direction of MUSIC Group in this thread:
http://soundforums.net/varsity/4299-uli-behringer-music-group-q-3.html
See Post # 54


In regards to the number of faders with issues on the X32:
I just spoke to Chas McKnight our head X32 technician in our CARE facility in Las Vegas, and he said the number of faders with any issues on the X32 has been incredibly low.
I welcome you to give Chase a call to discuss his direct experience with this.
Chase direct: 702-371-0830
You may want to check this X32 thread:
http://soundforums.net/junior-varsity/4393-x32-discussion-295.html
You will notice very few issues with faders in any of the discussions.


Best Regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

 
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Can we ban Joe Sanborn for blatantly violating the spirit of the rules of this forum?

A well respected member of our community asked a question about consoles in general and in reply he goes off spouting a bunch of marketing and PR propaganda just to get the name of his company out there. Joe, I think you need to meditate on the meaning of the phrase "conflict of interest" for a couple of millennia.
 
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