Behringer: DIGITAL iPAD/TABLET MIXER X18
So now we have competitors to the Mackie DL1608 from Phonic, QSC, and Behringer.
So now we have competitors to the Mackie DL1608 from Phonic, QSC, and Behringer.
Behringer X18
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Yep, looks like they all did their market research with the same folks hanging out in Guitar Centers.
I'm getting really tired of product announcements with associated product support information that provides so little and sometimes conflicting information, I start to feel like they're announcing a concept more than an actual working product. With any type of "professional" product like the X18 or the QSC TouchMix there should be images of all the user screens, a single line schematic and hopefully even a preliminary manual available when the product is announced, without that it seems some form of prototype being presented rather than a finished product.
Yep, looks like they all did their market research with the same folks hanging out in Guitar Centers.
I'm getting really tired of product announcements with associated product support information that provides so little and sometimes conflicting information, I start to feel like they're announcing a concept more than an actual working product. With any type of "professional" product like the X18 or the QSC TouchMix there should be images of all the user screens, a single line schematic and hopefully even a preliminary manual available when the product is announced, without that it seems some form of prototype being presented rather than a finished product.
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What's your source for this price? That would raise the bar for Mackie and they would have to respond with a price adjustment.
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I wish they'd changed to a rack mount form factor. If you can control the entire thing wirelessly with an iPad, I just don't understand the motivation for having a conventionally shaped control surface which takes up a lot more space, and requires a more expensive case than a rack mount equivalent.
The iPad IS the control surface. I can already set an iPad anywhere I want. Why do a need a flat spot on top of my mixer to place it? It just makes it more difficult for me to place my mix engine in the most convenient location.
I wish they'd changed to a rack mount form factor. If you can control the entire thing wirelessly with an iPad, I just don't understand the motivation for having a conventionally shaped control surface which takes up a lot more space, and requires a more expensive case than a rack mount equivalent.
The iPad IS the control surface. I can already set an iPad anywhere I want. Why do a need a flat spot on top of my mixer to place it? It just makes it more difficult for me to place my mix engine in the most convenient location.
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If it is really going to be $799 that is going to put major pressure on the competition. The feature set is actually really quite impressive, certainly some more compelling features than the Mackie. Nice also to see that the power supply is integrated and it just uses an IEC rather than the custom thing the new QSC requires.
If it is really going to be $799 that is going to put major pressure on the competition. The feature set is actually really quite impressive, certainly some more compelling features than the Mackie. Nice also to see that the power supply is integrated and it just uses an IEC rather than the custom thing the new QSC requires.
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You can carry it in a briefcase! What else would you need in a rack?
You can carry it in a briefcase! What else would you need in a rack?
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They already do have a product for that. It's called the X32 RACK.
Between this and the QSC, the only thing I like better about the QSC offering is that without an iPad, it can still be operated. It's all one piece. But that damn proprietary power connector blows on the QSC.
Now, if they designed it so one of their new hardware remotes can be secured in the spot where the iPad sits, you've got yourself a winner in the making.
They already do have a product for that. It's called the X32 RACK.
Between this and the QSC, the only thing I like better about the QSC offering is that without an iPad, it can still be operated. It's all one piece. But that damn proprietary power connector blows on the QSC.
Now, if they designed it so one of their new hardware remotes can be secured in the spot where the iPad sits, you've got yourself a winner in the making.
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Yeah. Which is twice as much money. And oriented toward a different market.
Yeah. Which is twice as much money. And oriented toward a different market.
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Um, I care obviously and here's why... I'm going to tell you a little story about my electronic drum kit that takes a stupid fucking wall wart power supply. Anyway, one day I'm gigging in a land far far away when after setup, I go to turn on my kit and it doesn't turn on.... Well it turns out that the power supply was toast and not just any universal psu will do(thakyou Roland), and at 5 o'clock on a sat in butt fuck northern Ontario, I would have paid a little extra for my MI piece of gear to have an IEC cable on it....
Anyway the next week I owned a newer e brain with yes, and IEC cable....
And so ends our story... Now go to bed!
Um, I care obviously and here's why... I'm going to tell you a little story about my electronic drum kit that takes a stupid fucking wall wart power supply. Anyway, one day I'm gigging in a land far far away when after setup, I go to turn on my kit and it doesn't turn on.... Well it turns out that the power supply was toast and not just any universal psu will do(thakyou Roland), and at 5 o'clock on a sat in butt fuck northern Ontario, I would have paid a little extra for my MI piece of gear to have an IEC cable on it....
Anyway the next week I owned a newer e brain with yes, and IEC cable....
And so ends our story... Now go to bed!
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Myself (with my DL1608) I have a wireless mic, wireless IEM, and three amps (subs & monitors). Obviously many will be using all active speakers but might still have rackmount wireless...
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How would you be any better off if the internal supply on that one goes teats up on you?
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No better of, I'd suppose. However, an exposed, cable mounted PSU is far more susceptible to damage when compared to an internal one when equipment is moved around a bunch.
No better of, I'd suppose. However, an exposed, cable mounted PSU is far more susceptible to damage when compared to an internal one when equipment is moved around a bunch.
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Ron, you know there's much more issue with the cable breaking at the enormous wall wart, or the little 12 v mini connection as opposed to a normal IEC , come on now.
Ron, you know there's much more issue with the cable breaking at the enormous wall wart, or the little 12 v mini connection as opposed to a normal IEC , come on now.
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Exactly. IEM transmitters and mic receivers. Maybe even an axe FX or similar if you're looking for the slickest little wedding band rig out there. Everything you need in one rack.
Exactly. IEM transmitters and mic receivers. Maybe even an axe FX or similar if you're looking for the slickest little wedding band rig out there. Everything you need in one rack.
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No wonder I flunk Canadian geography. I thought Butt Fuck was in SOUTHERN Ontario. I got some studying to do....
I still hate IEC cords, but at least you can find them at Radio Shack, Ace Hardware, Staples or any of the big-box retailers.
Proprietary *anything* is a turn off for me. It's not a single-issue rejection, but if a product has some silly-ass, uncommon PSU or connector I'll typically pick a competitor without such baggage.
No wonder I flunk Canadian geography. I thought Butt Fuck was in SOUTHERN Ontario. I got some studying to do....
I still hate IEC cords, but at least you can find them at Radio Shack, Ace Hardware, Staples or any of the big-box retailers.
Proprietary *anything* is a turn off for me. It's not a single-issue rejection, but if a product has some silly-ass, uncommon PSU or connector I'll typically pick a competitor without such baggage.
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If I am given the choice of two mixers; one with a normal IEC power input, and one with a proprietary wall wart, I would definitely lean toward the one with the IEC connector. I am sure I am not alone. Of course, this wouldn't be the only consideration, but with all other things being equal, it would be important.