Behringer X18

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As offensive as a proprietary wall wart is, I think the real design fail with the QSC mixer is the lack of recallable head amps. The X18 has them and this is a big differentiation.

It is also very likely that the X18 will enherit the android app from its older brothers so you won't need to join the Borg Apple club ;)

There is quite a lot to like in the X18. I am not sure I would have integrated the wireless myself. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are using 2.4Ghz which would be a mistake.
 
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Scott Bolt said:
As offensive as a proprietary wall wart is, I think the real design fail with the QSC mixer is the lack of recallable head amps. The X18 has them and this is a big differentiation.

It is also very likely that the X18 will enherit the android app from its older brothers so you won't need to join the Borg Apple club ;)

There is quite a lot to like in the X18. I am not sure I would have integrated the wireless myself. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are using 2.4Ghz which would be a mistake.
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That would suck so there better be an option. My iPad was worthless for X32 until I went 5G.
 
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Brent Handy said:
Nah. Not right away. The Mackie is more established and retailers know it works without issue. It will take a bit for people to bite off. Behringer is going to have issues with the first gen, like they always do, and then it will be "on".
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I have a friend that has sent two Mackies back to the factory. He's not doing it a third time.He's looking at other options
 
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Shane Presley said:
Ron, you know there's much more issue with the cable breaking at the enormous wall wart, or the little 12 v mini connection as opposed to a normal IEC , come on now.
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I know this is the JV forum but that doesn't mean you can't carry a spare power supply just like the big frogs - I do for my Mackie DL1608. BTW the power supply for the DL1608 is a couple steps up from the cheap crap ones you may be familiar with for laptops and such.
 
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Gary Phillips said:
Yeah, like the 1st gen X32. Had a boatload of returns. :roll:
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Care to qualify and/or quantify that statement? How big is your boat? Out of an alleged 40,000 units sold, we here on the forums heard about a dozen or so. I'm sure there were more, maybe a few hundred (or a gazillion!) , but we don't really know, do we?
 
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Just to beat the IEC vs proprietary connector/wall wart issue again.

If I accidentally leave an IEC cable behind at a gig, it's not a big deal. Got dozens of them. Wall warts with proprietary connector behind - fail. Repeatedly handling gives me cause to worry about the efficiency of the strain relief, and the continued bending just beyond. I can take care of my stuff, but left alone at a venue...

In our little cafe, for whatever reason, all the various wires end up in a knot. An IEC can survive that mishandling much better than the (usual) 22ga zip cord from the wart to the appliance. I've seen a Yamaha mixer in another small venue, and the power brick looked like it was on its last legs - and the weight of the brick had taken its toll on the input connector on the Yamaha.

I think QSC may have made a big mistake in that regard.

YMMV
frank
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
Care to qualify and/or quantify that statement? How big is your boat? Out of an alleged 40,000 units sold, we here on the forums heard about a dozen or so. I'm sure there were more, maybe a few hundred (or a gazillion!) , but we don't really know, do we?
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I took that as just being facetious. I think Gary was retorting to Brents statement inferring that Behringer has a history of failure/returns. Which is true, or at least was true until the X32.
Unbelievable how this one piece of gear can make most of us forget just how bad Behringer used to be.
BJ
 
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BJ James said:
I took that as just being facetious. I think Gary was retorting to Brents statement inferring that Behringer has a history of failure/returns. Which is true, or at least was true until the X32.
Unbelievable how this one piece of gear can make most of us forget just how bad Behringer used to be.
BJ
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Believe me, I've not forgotten as we still have the carcasses sitting around.

My point is that the X32 launched a new chapter in Berry's QC, service and support. By most accounts it's a significant improvement over the old ways, but whether or not the improvement continues or extends to other, lesser products remains to be seen. That's not a invitation, however, to make unsupported blanket assertions based on a few users of sound forums with issues that were mostly minor and quickly handled.
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
Believe me, I've not forgotten as we still have the carcasses sitting around.

My point is that the X32 launched a new chapter in Berry's QC, service and support. By most accounts it's a significant improvement over the old ways, but whether or not the improvement continues or extends to other, lesser products remains to be seen. That's not a invitation, however, to make unsupported blanket assertions based on a few users of sound forums with issues that were mostly minor and quickly handled.
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In 100% agreement.
 
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Andrew Broughton said:
So with this and I guess other "iPad-powered" mixers, can you remove the iPad from the dock and wander around to make adjustments? Seems with the built-in WiFi on the X18 that would be a great feature.
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No dock on the X18, that's just a rubber pad to set it down on. AFAIK only the Mackie can dock an iPad - and that requires two different connector boards and three tray adapters to accommodate all the various models so far :?~:-?~:???: .
 
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Andrew Broughton said:
So I guess the answer is that it's actually designed to be used with the iPad remotely. Funny I didn't seem them mention that in the literature!
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Hello


On Behringer website - X18 page it says among other data:

"The X18 is a powerhouse 18 input/12 bus portable mixer for iPad, and other tablets, ideally suited for both live and studio applications, thanks to its 16 award-winning MIDAS-designed mic preamps, convenient integrated Wi-Fi module for wireless control and onboard, lightning-speed USB Audio Interface. The freedom to move around and manipulate all parameters of your mix with the free iOS and PC apps lets you dial in the perfect sound from anywhere in the venue – or the tracking room!"


So let´s hope the built-in wifi-thing is strong enough to have some operating range - with X32 or X32 Rack I usually set Apple Airport Extreme on top of PA and have coverage up to 30 meters - that´s how far I´ve tried...

Eagerly awaiting on price- and delivery information.
 
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Timo Ulkuniemi said:
The freedom to move around and manipulate all parameters of your mix with the free iOS and PC apps lets you dial in the perfect sound from anywhere in the venue – or the tracking room!"
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They don't specifically say that you can do that using the actual iPad that runs the mothership. Lots of consoles can use iOS apps to control the console, but I wasn't aware that these "iPad-powered" consoles don't need the iPad to be connected and/or docked for the console to function.
 
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Don't hold me to this, but I have a strange feeling that this is basically an X32 rack with a different UI, downgraded components and panel interfaces. Just a guess, though.
 
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Max Warasila said:
Don't hold me to this, but I have a strange feeling that this is basically an X32 rack with a different UI, downgraded components and panel interfaces. Just a guess, though.
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I would agree. Why would they develope a whole different software? Good for us needing a totally portable X32 style solution.
 
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Andrew Broughton said:
They don't specifically say that you can do that using the actual iPad that runs the mothership. Lots of consoles can use iOS apps to control the console, but I wasn't aware that these "iPad-powered" consoles don't need the iPad to be connected and/or docked for the console to function.
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The Mackie can operate docked or undocked. It can also use another IPad undocked. The Mackie also charges the IPad, and in install operations, the IPad can be "locked" in place on the dock.

Although the continually changing dimensions of the IPad models makes difficulties for docking dimensions, Mackie has come up with reasonable solutions. It would be much easier to create a non-docking platform - which gives up charging and direct, non-WiFi connection to the base.

Can't speak for the others...
 
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John Chiara said:
You can carry it in a briefcase! What else would you need in a rack?
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No, you can't. This thing is a lot bigger then the Mackie, which does indeed fit in a briefcase. That's how I carry mine, not as checked baggage or as a carry-on, but as the personal you get along with your carry-on.
 
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