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Ben Lawrence said:
I dont know about Cab size but trucks are not shrinking in size. No manufacturer makes a smaller pickup anymore as far as i know. No S-10 no Toyota Pup no Ford Ranger etc.
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Tacoma doesn't count?

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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Put no effort into making a design better for 15 years or more, people quit buying them, they quit making them. American demand for big trucks produced the Tundra and the Titan. Ford and Chevy quit making their small trucks because they couldn't compete with Toyota and Nissan. They're going to have a tough time indeed once Toyota and Nissan establish a longer history with full-size trucks.


IMO 75% of people driving these big trucks around do not necessitate owning a truck.
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Last time I checked I don't have to demonstrate a need before I buy a vehicle. Life wouldn't be much fun if we could only have "necessities".
 
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No problem guy here's 19,500 for the new truck.
Trade in? Oh, i'm not selling my old truck. Thanks for asking!


Alan Sledzieski said:
So Chevy calls me, says they have a great deal on chevy pickups. I own a 2008, ya I'll come in and see what they have to say. They tell me I can buy a new silverado for the price that they were going 15 years ago, wow, what a deal. So the one guy goes out and test drives my 08, bla bla bla. I find a truck identical to mine almost. He tells me around $19,500 out the door for a 2013. I'm like lets do it, then I ask whats my truck worth, he says $15000, so i'm like ya my truck and 4,500 cash, right?? No he says, 19,500 + your truck. So I say thats $34,500, I go thats not what the trucks were going for 15 years ago. F'ing idiot.

Part 2 of this story why chevy has their head up their ass. My current truck is a reg cab 8' box. Was thinking going extended cab with short box as I'm 6'6'' and there is not a lot of room in the reg cab. Low and behold, there is less room in the extended cab, they moved the seat forward 2+ inches, leaving me with a whole 2'' between my knees and the dash.

I hope they get their act together for the new model in 2014
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Jeff Plumblee said:
Tacoma doesn't count?

RE: S-10 and Ranger
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Put no effort into making a design better for 15 years or more, people quit buying them, they quit making them. American demand for big trucks produced the Tundra and the Titan. Ford and Chevy quit making their small trucks because they couldn't compete with Toyota and Nissan. They're going to have a tough time indeed once Toyota and Nissan establish a longer history with full-size trucks.




Last time I checked I don't have to demonstrate a need before I buy a vehicle. Life wouldn't be much fun if we could only have "necessities".
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The Toyota Tacoma moved from the compact truck class into the midsize truck class with the most recent revision. And the current version is about as big as the previous generation Tundra.
The Nissan Frontier has suffered a similar fate.

The S10 (which had some reliability issues) was replaced by the Colorodo.

Ford kept the Ranger around for several years after they had initially planned to discontinue it, which I doubt they would have done if sales had been horrible. The Ranger was a reliable truck that got decent fuel economy (the base model could get 30+ MPG) and was popular with fleets for that reason. It has been replaced in the worldwide market, but not in the US because the replacement is about the same size as the F150.
 
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Rob Timmerman said:
Ford kept the Ranger around for several years after they had initially planned to discontinue it, which I doubt they would have done if sales had been horrible. The Ranger was a reliable truck that got decent fuel economy (the base model could get 30+ MPG) and was popular with fleets for that reason. It has been replaced in the worldwide market, but not in the US because the replacement is about the same size as the F150.
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And used prices of Rangers are artificially high due to continued demand.
 
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TJ Cornish said:
And used prices of Rangers are artificially high due to continued demand.
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You aren't kidding there!

I sold my 97 ranger for double what I bought it for a year previous, and bought a 90 ranger a friends dad was selling dirt cheap as he had to move away in two weeks.

My dad sold an 83 ranger 8 years ago for 500 bucks. 4 years later the same vehicle with 10k more miles was selling for 900...
 
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Every Chrysler Sprinter I see has noticeable rust. Ran into a guy at my insurance company and he said it runs great but it was quite rusted.
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I had really bad luck, engine wise, with my 06 Dodge Sprinter. The first one went at 97k and the second at 210k or so. First was a manufacture defect, the second was a bad rebuild. The third engine has about the same mileage as my '06 body and came out of a flipped van this March.
No rust here. 2006 Dodge Sprinter Long Tall 170" for sale - YouTube
Warning. I'm selling it in May so that video may :roll: come off as an advertisement.
Long story short, while waiting for an 5 cyl Mercedes diesel, I bought a new '12 Sprinter. Can't not be on the road. Gas mileage and interior space for the money, a Sprinter can't be beat.
 
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Jeff Plumblee said:
Last time I checked I don't have to demonstrate a need before I buy a vehicle. Life wouldn't be much fun if we could only have "necessities".
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It's this sense of entitelement that's making the human race make such an impact on the planet now that there are getting to be so many of us - and the people that used to be really poor are starting to "catch up" and wanting a bunch of luxeries, too.


I'm all for fun, but I have to say that, even if I don't like paying taxes more than the next guy, I'm fine with unnecessarily big private vehicles getting the extra tax they are in my country. Not that the extra tax makes the vehicle pollute less, but it's probably making some people think twice about if they really want one.
 
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kristianjohnsen said:
It's this sense of entitelement that's making the human race make such an impact on the planet now that there are getting to be so many of us - and the people that used to be really poor are starting to "catch up" and wanting a bunch of luxeries, too.
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Those pesky 3rd world denizens wanting to eat meat, and drive cars... Who do they think they are?

note: we have been around this tree about supportable world population before, a very old topic.
I'm all for fun, but I have to say that, even if I don't like paying taxes more than the next guy, I'm fine with unnecessarily big private vehicles getting the extra tax they are in my country. Not that the extra tax makes the vehicle pollute less, but it's probably making some people think twice about if they really want one.
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Vehicle road use taxes should reflect true costs, in road wear and tear, and even environmental impact if you as a community subscribe to that as a simple relationship.

A big issue that will arise in US is road use taxes based on miles driven instead of gas purchased, since high efficiency vehicles, and soft economy reduces tax revenue from old policy. Past legislative attempts to use car computer to track miles driven has been rejected before but seems inevitable to fall within the vision of the all seeing tax collector eye.

JR
 
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My Sprinter replaces at least two cars and a truck with trailer. We carry 7 people and all the gear at 18 mpg. At +50k miles per year, that adds up. I would call that a necessity. The people driving their Hummers, which had their own tax exemption during the Bush years, is not a necessity. Those things should have been taxed up the wazoo.

A big issue that will arise in US is road use taxes based on miles driven instead of gas purchased, since high efficiency vehicles, and soft economy reduces tax revenue from old policy.
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High efficiency vehicles are also lighter on the roads. My Sprinter does far less damage than a big truck or three vehicles. More weight means more gallons means more damage to the roads. Miles isn't the issue and is a false narrative being promoted by the oil companies.
 
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John Roberts said:
Vehicle road use taxes should reflect true costs, in road wear and tear, and even environmental impact if you as a community subscribe to that as a simple relationship.

A big issue that will arise in US is road use taxes based on miles driven instead of gas purchased, since high efficiency vehicles, and soft economy reduces tax revenue from old policy. Past legislative attempts to use car computer to track miles driven has been rejected before but seems inevitable to fall within the vision of the all seeing tax collector eye.

JR
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One loaded-down semi produces more road wear than thousands and thousands of cars; so mileage, per se, isn't the culprit for road maintenance needs and costs.
 
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mark anderson said:
My Sprinter replaces at least two cars and a truck with trailer. We carry 7 people and all the gear at 18 mpg. At +50k miles per year, that adds up. I would call that a necessity. The people driving their Hummers, which had their own tax exemption during the Bush years, is not a necessity. Those things should have been taxed up the wazoo.
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As I recall there was a business investment credit deduction that many small businesses used to buy expensive rides.

The Hummer was technically classified as a truck so not included in car gas guzzler tax. I am inclined to agree that Hummers should have been taxed into oblivion but there's no accounting for taste. If somebody wants to look military sign up, they still have openings.
High efficiency vehicles are also lighter on the roads. My Sprinter does far less damage than a big truck or three vehicles. More weight means more gallons means more damage to the roads. Miles isn't the issue and is a false narrative being promoted by the oil companies.
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This narrative is coming from legislators in their never ending quest for tax revenue. The oil companies and car companies are the ping pong balls and not the paddle, while they have significant lobbies so consumer always gets stuck with the bill (for the bill).

JR
 
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This narrative is coming from legislators in their never ending quest for tax revenue. The oil companies and car companies are the ping pong balls and not the paddle, while they have significant lobbies so consumer always gets stuck with the bill (for the bill).
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I'd beg to differ but then we'd get way too off topic. I'm showing amazing restraint. Good day!
 
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John Roberts said:
Vehicle road use taxes should reflect true costs, in road wear and tear, and even environmental impact if you as a community subscribe to that as a simple relationship.
JR
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Just sharing a perspective from how vehicles are taxed in my country (which is a manner of taxation I don't agree all that much with on a whole). First of all, politicians know that most people need to drive so they lay a bunch of taxes on cars and driving that doesn't benefit the drivers directly, it's just a source of extra tax income.

The way the taxes work out now, it's expensive to buy a vehicle and keep it insured and registered, but driving it is in comparison relatively inexpensive per added distance you drive. Since most people own a car anyway, the taxation doesn't motivate owners to drive less and hence save on roads or the larger environment.

I think that owning a car and having it parked in the garage should be very inexpensive, and I'm fine with drivers paying for whatever impact they case when using the car.

As of now, electric vehicles are exempt from most taxes, but our politicians publicly admit that once those vehicles gain enough popularity, they will be taxed the same way as current petrol/diesel cars. How very green...
 
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At the risk of derailing this thread I'll jump in here again and directly ask who likes the new tall skinny vans besides Mark Anderson. (I don't have one yet - but would like one - it would go well with my new tall skinny speakers) To the original poster - they might be worth looking into 'cause they're TALL :)~:-)~:smile: and the idea that you could STAND UP IN IT really gets me going (search YouTube for Theodis Ealey - Stand Up In It :twisted: )
 
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Gene Hardage said:
At the risk of derailing this thread I'll jump in here again and directly ask who likes the new tall skinny vans besides Mark Anderson. (I don't have one yet - but would like one - it would go well with my new tall skinny speakers) To the original poster - they might be worth looking into 'cause they're TALL :)~:-)~:smile: and the idea that you could STAND UP IN IT really gets me going (search YouTube for Theodis Ealey - Stand Up In It :twisted: )
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I assume you are talking about the Sprinter style vans, when our GMC dies we'll probably be going the Sprinter route, should reduce the amount of post-gig back pain.
 
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Spenser Hamilton said:
I assume you are talking about the Sprinter style vans, when our GMC dies we'll probably be going the Sprinter route, should reduce the amount of post-gig back pain.
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Yes I'm leaning toward the Sprinter but waiting to see what Ford and Chevy come out with next year. The new Nissan is interesting but fugly and only gas for now.
 
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Aren't Sprinters priced in the un-obtanium range 50K price range?
Love to have something that gets the gas mileage they do.
 
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Helge Dr. Bentsen said:
If they're priced similar to the competition in the US as over here, they're expensive but worth it IMHO.
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When Ford and Chevy join the tall van club it might help to force prices on all models down a little unless of course there is some kind of conspiracy that keeps us all enslaved to some form of overpriced transportation to move silly boxes around...
 
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