I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

[Robert Lofgren]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Most of this stuff is either analog or digital and not encrypted. They still need to operate within the fcc rules unless theyve applied for a special license.

It should be possible to snoop the communication using a somewhat cheap reciever that you can borrow or rent for the day. THen you can record the communication....

 

[Ron Tebo]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Most of this stuff is either analog or digital and not encrypted. They still need to operate within the fcc rules unless theyve applied for a special license.

It should be possible to snoop the communication using a somewhat cheap reciever that you can borrow or rent for the day. THen you can record the communication....

Watch this video and you will see the trick of those who prey on the innocent as with Caputo.

At 3:00 in the video TRUE evidence that those can scam those who grieve.

 

[Jason Glass]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Even if I have a witness who says "I saw her with an earbud/IEM/IFB earpiece" we can't prove what she was hearing. They record this for TV, so her getting an IFB feed from the director is certainly a possibility. What we don't know is what *might* said to her. I agree that the presence of such hardware would raise questions.

The omission of Lectrosonics IFB gear in the press release can mean several things: that Caputo does not use IFB or does not use Lectro's IFB product, or that her TD is not endorsing the IFB products... or they simply don't talk about it.

Hi Ron,

It's important for you to realize that two-way communication devices being used on a show is not, in itself, proof of any fraud and you will have to go farther than that to make your point. IFB and in-ear monitor systems are ubiquitous in all kinds of performances, for many uses. If you want to go any deeper into this than superficial raising of doubt or sensationalist journalism, you might try to find a way to document the content of those communications. For wireless experts with the right equipment, this could be easier than you might think. Of course, there are also legal issues to consider and you would need a lawyer to help figure out the legality of monitoring and recording (eavesdropping on) those communications, as well as how the recordings may be used. Otherwise, you could be exposed to criminal prosecution and/or civil liability.

 

[Jason Glass]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Hi Guys,

If you want to see who Ron is and what this is all about, check this out:

About | Scifake.com

Scifake.com | challenging conspiracies, the paranormal and frauds

Ron, I personally share your feelings about fraudsters, and loathe anyone who preys on weakness, grief, and lack of deep intelligence. However, I see that you posted the photo that you're asking questions about as "proof" of that the performer wears an earpiece and commits fraud here: http://scifake.com/proof-that-the-long-island-medium-wears-an-earpiece/. It's been unanimously stated here, on this forum of professionals in the field, that there is no earpiece in that photo.

This is a forum of folks who make their living by working on all kinds of shows. You will find a wide range of opinions here, among those of us who in some degree or other intentionally mislead audiences in the normal course of stagecraft and entertainment business. Where the line of ethics lies, where reasonable "suspension of disbelief" ends and fraud begins, is an argument for the ages.

If you want to be a credible debunker of show biz type fraudsters, you are wise to make friends here and benefit from our knowledge. I only wish to advise you that when you post something like the "proof" noted above, in blatant disagreement with what you've learned here, you could be perceived at best as disrespectfully ignoring good advice, or at worst as fighting fraud with fraud of your own. If folks around here sense that you only desire to make sensationalized generalizations to support your own theories without solid facts, you may find us unwilling to help what should otherwise be an honorable cause. I hope you'll make adjustments as necessary to fight the good fight that I hope is your objective.

 

[Bennett Prescott]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

I have moved this thread to the basement because it is no longer primarily about audio. Be careful, folks, we do not have any lawyers on retainer and should one of these entertainers take exception to something said they will surely be able to bankrupt us with the smallest of legal proceedings. I personally carry a great liability policy, but SFN does not.

 

[Ron Tebo]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

I have moved this thread to the basement because it is no longer primarily about audio. Be careful, folks, we do not have any lawyers on retainer and should one of these entertainers take exception to something said they will surely be able to bankrupt us with the smallest of legal proceedings. I personally carry a great liability policy, but SFN does not.

It's all opinion and we are entitled to our opinion and my opinion is that she (Caputo) receives information prior to communicating with her prey! Whether it be an ear piece or otherwise.

Scifake.com has been part of the internet for over 4 years and yes, we have been threatened with lawsuits; however. Once you back down then the person suing knows your weakness and will attack again. Simple.

Theresa Caputo is smart and she will NOT bring a lawsuit because then she'd will have to proof her ability (inability) in a court of law!

There is ZERO proof that she receives messages from those who have passed and I am positive (loosely) that she gets her information from some sort communication prior to her stage presentation.

Ron

 

[Dick Rees]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Theresa Caputo is smart and she will NOT bring a lawsuit because then she'd will have to proof her ability (inability) in a court of law!


Ron

So you're a lawyer as well as a self-appointed savior of the gullible? You accuse someone of deceptive practices, yet you come on here as a "wolf in sheep's clothing", opening a thread supposedly about sound gear, then shift to your REAL agenda. How is that not deceptive practice???

Anyone else in favor of closing this diatribe, send Bennett a note. Enough of those and we can perhaps give this the old heave-ho. Let's hear from the community on this, yea or nay.

 

[Lee Brenkman]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Pastor (rolling my eyes) Peter Popoff was caught receiving information from his wife (who was backstage). This information was about revival attendees from his wife via an in-ear receiver. Popoff routinely and accurately stated the home addresses and specific illnesses of his audience members, a feat many believed was due to divine revelation and "God-given ability".[10] In 1986 when members of CSICOP reported that Popoff was using a radio to receive messages, Popoff denied it and said the messages came from God.[11] At the time of his popularity, skeptic groups across the United States printed and handed out pamphlets explaining how Popoff's feats could be done.[2] Popoff would tell his audience that the pamphlets were "tools of the devil".[

This certainly is nothing new with tent revivalists and their mass media decedents.

Well enough known to be a central part of this 1992 film where Debra Winger's character is feeding the information to the "evangelist" played by Steve Martin:

Leap of Faith (1992) - IMDb

But proving fraud is nearly impossible unless one of the persons on either end of the "communication" flips and agrees to testify under oath.

 

[Ron Tebo]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

So you're a lawyer as well as a self-appointed savior of the gullible? You accuse someone of deceptive practices, yet you come on here as a "wolf in sheep's clothing", opening a thread supposedly about sound gear, then shift to your REAL agenda. How is that not deceptive practice???

Anyone else in favor of closing this diatribe, give me a Like on this post or send Bennett a note. Enough of those and we can perhaps give this the old heave-ho. Let's hear from the community on this, yea or nay.

There's no deception because I have been honest from the first sentence. However, I have saved my best for last and I'm sorry if I upset you for asking sincere questions. Maybe I should lie to you and that approach would be more accepting.

The "old heave-ho" is to only benefit you because it's possible that I hit a sore spot and at this very moment you are eating pop-corn and watching Caputo reruns.

Self appointed savior? Sure, I will declare myself the position. Thanks.

 

[Mark DeArman]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

So you're a lawyer as well as a self-appointed savior of the gullible? You accuse someone of deceptive practices, yet you come on here as a "wolf in sheep's clothing", opening a thread supposedly about sound gear, then shift to your REAL agenda. How is that not deceptive practice???

Anyone else in favor of closing this diatribe, give me a Like on this post or send Bennett a note. Enough of those and we can perhaps give this the old heave-ho. Let's hear from the community on this, yea or nay.

Well it has been moved to the basement where it belongs. I would actually be interested to know what some of the common state laws have to say regarding interception of wireless IEM signals during performances.

Mark

 

[Tim McCulloch]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Well it has been moved to the basement where it belongs. I would actually be interested to know what some of the common state laws have to say regarding interception of wireless IEM signals during performances.

Mark

More to the point, the Communications Act of 1934, as amended and/or superseded by the 2003 Act.

 

[Mark Cadwallader]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Well it has been moved to the basement where it belongs. I would actually be interested to know what some of the common state laws have to say regarding interception of wireless IEM signals during performances.

Mark

It is my general understanding that numerous (if not most) states have stautes [laws] that provide criminal penalties for the unauthorized interception and/or recording of private communications. Thoses criminal laws would be in addition to federal law provisions mentioned above. Whether merely listening to non-encrypted radio transmissions outside the cellular telephone spectrum constitutes an unlawful act is not a matter upon which I have an informed opinion. Howerer, I note that multi-band radio scanners are available for purchase by the public on a commercial basis. Mark C.

 

[Mark DeArman]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

It is my general understanding that numerous (if not most) states have stautes [laws] that provide criminal penalties for the unauthorized interception and/or recording of private communications. Thoses criminal laws would be in addition to federal law provisions mentioned above. Whether merely listening to non-encrypted radio transmissions outside the cellular telephone spectrum constitutes an unlawful act is not a matter upon which I have an informed opinion. Howerer, I note that multi-band radio scanners are available for purchase by the public on a commercial basis. Mark C.

Sorry for my lack of understanding in this area, but do IEMs operate in a band which is classified as "private communications" such as the cellular telephones which you refer? I would love it if someone in the know could chime in. I totally get the fact that recording and redistribution of such recorded signals might be unlawful by different classifications (such as copyright infringement), but is just intercepting and listening to such signals unlawful under federal or state laws?

 

[Tim McCulloch]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Sorry for my lack of understanding in this area, but do IEMs operate in a band which is classified as "private communications" such as the cellular telephones which you refer? I would love it if someone in the know could chime in. I totally get the fact that recording and redistribution of such recorded signals might be unlawful by different classifications (such as copyright infringement), but is just intercepting and listening to such signals unlawful under federal or state laws?

Henry Cohen or someone more up to date than me will have a more current and definitive answer, but under the Communications Act of 1934, it is a federal crime to act upon or divulge the contents of a communication where you are not an intended recipient or a party to the communication. You can listen all you want (with a couple of exceptions).

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Henry Cohen or someone more up to date than me will have a more current and definitive answer, but under the Communications Act of 1934, it is a federal crime to act upon or divulge the contents of a communication where you are not an intended recipient or a party to the communication. You can listen all you want (with a couple of exceptions).

So I guess then that the US Govt. and/or agencies under their control/oversight is guilty of about 5.000.000 breaches of that act in the last 80 years :lol:

 

[Thomas Harkin]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

So I guess then that the US Govt. and/or agencies under their control/oversight is guilty of about 5.000.000 breaches of that act in the last 80 years :lol:

Unfortunately for the world, the US Govt. isn't the only one that does it; it's the one that got caught doing it!!!!

 

[Ron Tebo]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Unfortunately for the world, the US Govt. isn't the only one that does it; it's the one that got caught doing it!!!!

When it came discrediting Peter Popoff (IMO, who is still ripping of thousands), Randi used a device to intercept Popoff's conversation with his wife as she fed him information about those who were called on to scam! People thought that he was a speaker for God and all the time his wife was giving him information from backstage. The donations came rolling in and both (husband and wife) became rich ...until he was exposed and he had to file bankruptcy. Poor chap! Detect my sarcasm?

This is just hypothetical; suppose Caputo is doing the same and conversation was intercepted by a person who is a professional sound engineer. He or she is caught. Do you suppose Caputo's lawyers will want to pursue prosecution? If you're ripping off people you certainly are not going public with information that may discredit your performance.

Ron

PS. The knowledge here is worth the time and effort.

 

[Bennett Prescott]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

There's no deception because I have been honest from the first sentence. However, I have saved my best for last and I'm sorry if I upset you for asking sincere questions. Maybe I should lie to you and that approach would be more accepting.

Ron, there's no reason to be coy with us. We don't give two shits about Caputo or whoever, and I definitely don't care about the gullible idiots in her audience. What we do care about here is pro audio and related technical discussion, and that is what I expect this thread to be about. I certainly don't like your attitude here. You are not in a position to make threats, and it's pretty rude for someone who came here ignorant about what an IEM receiver was to be getting smart with longstanding members of this community.

 

[Karl Winkler]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

When it came discrediting Peter Popoff (IMO, who is still ripping of thousands), Randi used a device to intercept Popoff's conversation with his wife as she fed him information about those who were called on to scam! People thought that he was a speaker for God and all the time his wife was giving him information from backstage. The donations came rolling in and both (husband and wife) became rich ...until he was exposed and he had to file bankruptcy. Poor chap! Detect my sarcasm?

This is just hypothetical; suppose Caputo is doing the same and conversation was intercepted by a person who is a professional sound engineer. He or she is caught. Do you suppose Caputo's lawyers will want to pursue prosecution? If you're ripping off people you certainly are not going public with information that may discredit your performance.

Ron

PS. The knowledge here is worth the time and effort.

Ron,

I take no issue with you pursuing your cause. The only problem I have is with your approach. You made a video and posted it on YouTube titled "Long Island Medium - Proof She Wears a Wireless Earpiece" outlining a trade PR piece as "proof" that Caputo is a fraud. However, there was nothing in that article or the accompanying photo supporting your case. In the comments to that that video, you had support for your cause (opinions), but you also had quite a number of people pointing out that your attack (in this particular case) was off base due to your misunderstanding of the equipment pictured and described in that article.

After several days and perhaps a dozen comments both public and private (at your admission) you relented, saying something to the effect that you had people telling you that you were wrong. You claimed that "if this turns out to be the case, [you] will apologize in a video."

You also came here to SoundForums and asked your questions about the photo in that article, and what kind of equipment was pictured in that photo. You received several answers, basically refuting your original premise.

Since then, the original YouTube video has been made private (but not deleted): YouTube

And yet there is no apology forthcoming.

Or is there?

 

[Ron Tebo]

Re: I'm new to this and was wondering about these products shown in sound forums?

Ron, there's no reason to be coy with us. We don't give two shits about Caputo or whoever, and I definitely don't care about the gullible idiots in her audience. What we do care about here is pro audio and related technical discussion, and that is what I expect this thread to be about. I certainly don't like your attitude here. You are not in a position to make threats, and it's pretty rude for someone who came here ignorant about what an IEM receiver was to be getting smart with longstanding members of this community.

My attitude? How can you detect attitude? Coy, no; however, I am looking for expertise and this is the place. Ignorant? Nope, just not informed and I respect the knowledge of the experts. Threats? Where did I threatened? Rude? How can you detect rudeness from text? Text lacks human emotion.