iPhone 4 is on Verizon!!!
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Re: iPhone 4 is on Verizon!!!
If they offer better overseas plans than AT&T, you can count me in.
Evan
If they offer better overseas plans than AT&T, you can count me in.
Evan
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My contract is up in September. I'll probably switch over too.n speaking of iPhones, this rocks on here.
My contract is up in September. I'll probably switch over too.n speaking of iPhones, this rocks on here.
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Ehh not impressed. I do like the mobile hot spot for upto 5 devices (WTF ATT) but not having voice and data multitasking (CDMA drawback) is a no go for me. Ill be sticking it out with ATT at untill at least an LTE version is released on either network. Cellphone service always seems to be a ''the grass is greener'' fight
Ehh not impressed. I do like the mobile hot spot for upto 5 devices (WTF ATT) but not having voice and data multitasking (CDMA drawback) is a no go for me. Ill be sticking it out with ATT at untill at least an LTE version is released on either network. Cellphone service always seems to be a ''the grass is greener'' fight
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+1
No LTE is rather lame. Not that I would get one, but i would be more interested if that were the case. I love being able to modify my phone, and I don't use iTunes so that pretty much drops me off the iphone bandwagon.
Rest assured if my mom gets a smartphone though i'll get her an iphone cause i won't have to explain much at all.
Ehh not impressed. I do like the mobile hot spot for upto 5 devices (WTF ATT) but not having voice and data multitasking (CDMA drawback) is a no go for me. Ill be sticking it out with ATT at untill at least an LTE version is released on either network. Cellphone service always seems to be a ''the grass is greener'' fight
+1
No LTE is rather lame. Not that I would get one, but i would be more interested if that were the case. I love being able to modify my phone, and I don't use iTunes so that pretty much drops me off the iphone bandwagon.
Rest assured if my mom gets a smartphone though i'll get her an iphone cause i won't have to explain much at all.
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I have no doubt that Verizon is developing an LTE iPhone with the current offering being something they've been working on and just need to push out the door.
I won't be switching until Verizon puts out a phone that will work in more places outside the US. I have a decent amount of world travel set up this year and don't want to be somewhere where my phone won't work.
Regardless, I still think this is really going to give AT&T a run for their money. We all know that they continue to rank dead last in consumer ratings and I think many consumers could care less about being able to talk on the phone while browsing the web and just want some reliability and customer service. I know I'm for sure sick of dropped calls at home with 5 bars of service and an AT&T tower I can see from my window.
I have no doubt that Verizon is developing an LTE iPhone with the current offering being something they've been working on and just need to push out the door.
I won't be switching until Verizon puts out a phone that will work in more places outside the US. I have a decent amount of world travel set up this year and don't want to be somewhere where my phone won't work.
Regardless, I still think this is really going to give AT&T a run for their money. We all know that they continue to rank dead last in consumer ratings and I think many consumers could care less about being able to talk on the phone while browsing the web and just want some reliability and customer service. I know I'm for sure sick of dropped calls at home with 5 bars of service and an AT&T tower I can see from my window.
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It's not up to Verizon or any carrier. Apple is Apple and is going to do what they want, when they want. Apple prides itself on product quailty and innovation. They were not the first to invent the computer or cellphone but rather the ones that changed how you use both.
With that being said Apple will wait for LTE to mature and be ratified before it will place any LTE chips in its hardware. One known issue with early LTE chips is how power hungry they are, Apple will certainly not risk battery life with an internal battery.
It's not up to Verizon or any carrier. Apple is Apple and is going to do what they want, when they want. Apple prides itself on product quailty and innovation. They were not the first to invent the computer or cellphone but rather the ones that changed how you use both.
With that being said Apple will wait for LTE to mature and be ratified before it will place any LTE chips in its hardware. One known issue with early LTE chips is how power hungry they are, Apple will certainly not risk battery life with an internal battery.
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I not moving to the Verizon with my iPhone4. On the Verizon network, you cann't Talk & Surf the web at the same time.
+1 for AT&T.
In my area; Verizon & AT&T have the same coverage.
I not moving to the Verizon with my iPhone4. On the Verizon network, you cann't Talk & Surf the web at the same time.
+1 for AT&T.
In my area; Verizon & AT&T have the same coverage.
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Unfortunately, this is not possible with this CDMA iPhone, which is compatible with Verizon's current-generation network. Verizon Wireless acquired a lot of rural cellular providers who had huge, low-density coverage areas, and CDMA is a much better and more cost-effective technology for that type of user. GSM has a hard limit on range from the phone to the tower/transponder, not due to RF issues, but timing. So Verizon could not simply upgrade legacy rural AMPS cells, huge in size, to GSM; at least, not without breaking them into smaller cells by building more towers and mobile back-haul.
I do not understand the new ''LTE'' technology, and realize that it is a young and non-standardized thing right now; but I believe Verizon will indeed have a network which is compatible with other global ''4G'' networks as they continue to deploy ''LTE.''
For now, if you want a ''global iPhone,'' stick to AT&T. In the future, I believe Verizon's network will become compatible with global phones.
Unfortunately, this is not possible with this CDMA iPhone, which is compatible with Verizon's current-generation network. Verizon Wireless acquired a lot of rural cellular providers who had huge, low-density coverage areas, and CDMA is a much better and more cost-effective technology for that type of user. GSM has a hard limit on range from the phone to the tower/transponder, not due to RF issues, but timing. So Verizon could not simply upgrade legacy rural AMPS cells, huge in size, to GSM; at least, not without breaking them into smaller cells by building more towers and mobile back-haul.
I do not understand the new ''LTE'' technology, and realize that it is a young and non-standardized thing right now; but I believe Verizon will indeed have a network which is compatible with other global ''4G'' networks as they continue to deploy ''LTE.''
For now, if you want a ''global iPhone,'' stick to AT&T. In the future, I believe Verizon's network will become compatible with global phones.
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Well, I am excited.
I am already a Verizon user and my requirements for a smart phone rules out most of what Verizon sells today other than the Blackberrys.
Quite simple...
1)It should be easy to use. My Touchpro 2 is awful. It is slow. You cannot do hardly anything with it with one hand. Using it to simply make a phone call while driving is worse than reading email with it. It locks when I don't want it to and unlocks when I don't want it to and makes all sorts of phone calls from my phone history while simply having it in my pocket.
2)It needs to sync (contacts, calendar, notes etc) locally to my computer. Syncing to both my desktop and notebook is great. It must NOT sync with any cloud servers! Who I have in my contact list is no ones business but mine and none of the majors have shown themselves to be trustworthy, competent at security, reliable and honorable. They will share if asked or just cause they want to. I don't quite understand why any company would allow employees to use cloud computing backups. Perhaps that is why so many companies use Blackberrys?
3)It should permit things like calendar, contacts, notes, web browsing, email, spreadsheets etc. Games are nice for waiting rooms and I suppose there might be an application I might like out there.
The iPhone can sync locally with iTunes and be hooked through to Windows Outlook on a PC.
These days only Windows Mobile and Blackberry meet those needs.
Well, I am excited.
I am already a Verizon user and my requirements for a smart phone rules out most of what Verizon sells today other than the Blackberrys.
Quite simple...
1)It should be easy to use. My Touchpro 2 is awful. It is slow. You cannot do hardly anything with it with one hand. Using it to simply make a phone call while driving is worse than reading email with it. It locks when I don't want it to and unlocks when I don't want it to and makes all sorts of phone calls from my phone history while simply having it in my pocket.
2)It needs to sync (contacts, calendar, notes etc) locally to my computer. Syncing to both my desktop and notebook is great. It must NOT sync with any cloud servers! Who I have in my contact list is no ones business but mine and none of the majors have shown themselves to be trustworthy, competent at security, reliable and honorable. They will share if asked or just cause they want to. I don't quite understand why any company would allow employees to use cloud computing backups. Perhaps that is why so many companies use Blackberrys?
3)It should permit things like calendar, contacts, notes, web browsing, email, spreadsheets etc. Games are nice for waiting rooms and I suppose there might be an application I might like out there.
The iPhone can sync locally with iTunes and be hooked through to Windows Outlook on a PC.
These days only Windows Mobile and Blackberry meet those needs.
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can't wait for Verizon's service to get as sucky as ATT's with the increased traffic from iphones. Hah!
can't wait for Verizon's service to get as sucky as ATT's with the increased traffic from iphones. Hah!
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Rob;
I am confused... are you suggesting that keeping my iPhone's contacts, calendars and notes synced with my multiple macs via the (mobile me) cloud is un-secure , because Apple is willing to share my data with those who ask... or just cause they want to?
I don't know what CLOUD you are referencing, but to say that any cloud computing is bad, because the owners of the cloud will share your data at will, is just bogus.
I have been using the mobile me cloud since it was .mac a few years ago... and have nothing but GREAT things to say about how it helps me to stay synced up. I power up my mac mini that lives in my FOH rack.. turn on my air-card and it syncs up and acts just like my macbook pro that I just left at home.
I can even report one instance where I lost my iPhone on the golf course, and was able to get to the club-house, log into mobile me, and track my phone down to a bunker on the 5th hole (don't know how it got in there... honestly!!!
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I know this story has nothing to do with CLOUD computing, but in reference to the iPhone in specific, I would have never had this ability, if I was not signed up for their CLOUD service... which is the reason I have mobile me to begin with.
I upload recordings for clients to pull off of the server and use the mobile me cloud for many many things that make my life much easier. I have yet, to have any type of security issue, nor have I heard of any such issues from my multitudes of friends who use the cloud in a similar fashion.
I would be interested to know what you are basing your opinion on... as if there is a known security issue, I want to make sure my stuff is protected!!
Rob;
I am confused... are you suggesting that keeping my iPhone's contacts, calendars and notes synced with my multiple macs via the (mobile me) cloud is un-secure , because Apple is willing to share my data with those who ask... or just cause they want to?
I don't know what CLOUD you are referencing, but to say that any cloud computing is bad, because the owners of the cloud will share your data at will, is just bogus.
I have been using the mobile me cloud since it was .mac a few years ago... and have nothing but GREAT things to say about how it helps me to stay synced up. I power up my mac mini that lives in my FOH rack.. turn on my air-card and it syncs up and acts just like my macbook pro that I just left at home.
I can even report one instance where I lost my iPhone on the golf course, and was able to get to the club-house, log into mobile me, and track my phone down to a bunker on the 5th hole (don't know how it got in there... honestly!!!
I know this story has nothing to do with CLOUD computing, but in reference to the iPhone in specific, I would have never had this ability, if I was not signed up for their CLOUD service... which is the reason I have mobile me to begin with.
I upload recordings for clients to pull off of the server and use the mobile me cloud for many many things that make my life much easier. I have yet, to have any type of security issue, nor have I heard of any such issues from my multitudes of friends who use the cloud in a similar fashion.
I would be interested to know what you are basing your opinion on... as if there is a known security issue, I want to make sure my stuff is protected!!
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There are two issues to concern yourself with here.
First, is the ''cloud'' secure? Large, aggregate databases containing contact information for millions of users represent the largest targets for identity theft. If you were a bad guy, you would rather hack Apple or Vodafone (http://www.freeaccess.com.au/Structure:%20/2011/01/10/privacy-commissioner-probes-alleged-vodaphone-breach/) and get millions of users' information, than trick one user into installing malware on their phone. In addition, a disgruntled employee on his way out could do immense damage with a USB stick.
Second, phone companies engaged in so much secret and illegal sharing of customers' data, including records of phone calls, billing information, actual intercepts of calls and text messages, and no doubt, data stored on companies' servers, that Congress passed a law granting them retroactive immunity from prosecution or civil complaint.
When a global law firm with clients including sovereign governments sued the U.S., claiming that their attorney-client privilege had been violated by illegal wiretapping, and tried to subpoena records of this wiretapping activity to prove their allegations, their subpoena was quashed under the premise that the government admitting it spied on legally protected attorney-client communiques would compromise national security. Their lawsuit was then dismissed because the federal judge said they could not proceed without standing, and to prove their standing theory, they needed ... specific evidence of wiretaps that the U.S. has said are categorically secret to the extent that knowledge of their existence would compromise national security.
So you also have to trust Big Brother not to leak or misuse the data they are getting from the cloud service provider.
If you choose to use a cloud, that's certainly fine. Just don't put anything in it that really must be private/secret.
There are two issues to concern yourself with here.
First, is the ''cloud'' secure? Large, aggregate databases containing contact information for millions of users represent the largest targets for identity theft. If you were a bad guy, you would rather hack Apple or Vodafone (http://www.freeaccess.com.au/Structure:%20/2011/01/10/privacy-commissioner-probes-alleged-vodaphone-breach/) and get millions of users' information, than trick one user into installing malware on their phone. In addition, a disgruntled employee on his way out could do immense damage with a USB stick.
Second, phone companies engaged in so much secret and illegal sharing of customers' data, including records of phone calls, billing information, actual intercepts of calls and text messages, and no doubt, data stored on companies' servers, that Congress passed a law granting them retroactive immunity from prosecution or civil complaint.
When a global law firm with clients including sovereign governments sued the U.S., claiming that their attorney-client privilege had been violated by illegal wiretapping, and tried to subpoena records of this wiretapping activity to prove their allegations, their subpoena was quashed under the premise that the government admitting it spied on legally protected attorney-client communiques would compromise national security. Their lawsuit was then dismissed because the federal judge said they could not proceed without standing, and to prove their standing theory, they needed ... specific evidence of wiretaps that the U.S. has said are categorically secret to the extent that knowledge of their existence would compromise national security.
So you also have to trust Big Brother not to leak or misuse the data they are getting from the cloud service provider.
If you choose to use a cloud, that's certainly fine. Just don't put anything in it that really must be private/secret.
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O.K. so we treat the cloud like any other computer connected to the interent... and don't act surprised if someone intentionally breaks in and gains access... we've hopefully all been following those rules since our first dial-up connections to prodigy or earthlink back in the day. That is a far cry in my mind from suggesting that someone like Apple has been intentionally sharing cloud data ''if asked or just cause they want to.''
I understand that you have some data concerning phone companies and some dubious activities concerning data sharing, but what does that have to do with cloud computing? I have no illusions of AT&T being secure... but I also don't believe that they have ANYTHING at all to do with the service that Apple provides to me for cloud computing via the mobile me product set. Please correct me if I am wrong, as I am just a casual end user here.
O.K. so we treat the cloud like any other computer connected to the interent... and don't act surprised if someone intentionally breaks in and gains access... we've hopefully all been following those rules since our first dial-up connections to prodigy or earthlink back in the day. That is a far cry in my mind from suggesting that someone like Apple has been intentionally sharing cloud data ''if asked or just cause they want to.''
I understand that you have some data concerning phone companies and some dubious activities concerning data sharing, but what does that have to do with cloud computing? I have no illusions of AT&T being secure... but I also don't believe that they have ANYTHING at all to do with the service that Apple provides to me for cloud computing via the mobile me product set. Please correct me if I am wrong, as I am just a casual end user here.
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I know nothing about mobile me. I worry that even Apple, if the data they hold in trust from you and others like you, becomes valuable to the government, or the perhaps even the bean counters, may share things you do not want shared.
I do know that an inept T-Mobile failure at a Microsoft data center (I don't know who really blew what) caused all the t-mobile phones that used that service to wipe them selves of user data after the servers crashed.
I do know that Google has had much publicity (bad) about it's mis-handeling of data collected for Google earth and it's much boo'ed sharing of gmail contact lists thinking that if you were a contact, you would want it known to all.
I don't trust big business data centers. This is not to say that they don't have very good people working there but today's laws do little to protect me, the user of their services. They have not proven them selves to me yet. This is still a very immature technology and one that I will not trust my information to. Once it leaks you cannot call it back!
I know nothing about mobile me. I worry that even Apple, if the data they hold in trust from you and others like you, becomes valuable to the government, or the perhaps even the bean counters, may share things you do not want shared.
I do know that an inept T-Mobile failure at a Microsoft data center (I don't know who really blew what) caused all the t-mobile phones that used that service to wipe them selves of user data after the servers crashed.
I do know that Google has had much publicity (bad) about it's mis-handeling of data collected for Google earth and it's much boo'ed sharing of gmail contact lists thinking that if you were a contact, you would want it known to all.
I don't trust big business data centers. This is not to say that they don't have very good people working there but today's laws do little to protect me, the user of their services. They have not proven them selves to me yet. This is still a very immature technology and one that I will not trust my information to. Once it leaks you cannot call it back!
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It's pretty simple. If ''Big Brother'' wants data that is in ''the cloud,'' be that AT&T, Apple, or anyone else, they will acquire it. In the past decade, they even did so through illegal means, not in an isolated way, but to such a huge extent that companies worth hundreds of billions of dollars went to Congress to seek amnesty.
It is widely believed that China was behind the ''Google hacking'' incidents that caused certain high-profile peoples' Gmail accounts and other data in that ''cloud'' to be compromised. So it's not just the U.S. government, but potentially other governments or NGOs.
I suggest you do not assume that any data is truly secret simply because it is stored by Apple, and not AT&T. Recent history has shown us that even the largest companies cannot prevent their customers' private data from being acquired by governments, and in some cases, malicious ''hackers.''
You might also be interested to know that the largest airplane manufacturers, including Boeing, do not allow the government to copy or store the safety-related documentation that the government must approve before an aircraft is approved for use. In the case of Boeing, they store all the CAD models, blueprints, X-rays, engineering certifications, etc., and the FAA has to come to Boeing to inspect them. Boeing does not trust the FAA to keep their proprietary data from falling into competitors' hands, even though they are legally required to make that data available to the FAA for aircraft to be certified.
If you want something to be secret, don't put it in any cloud.
It's pretty simple. If ''Big Brother'' wants data that is in ''the cloud,'' be that AT&T, Apple, or anyone else, they will acquire it. In the past decade, they even did so through illegal means, not in an isolated way, but to such a huge extent that companies worth hundreds of billions of dollars went to Congress to seek amnesty.
It is widely believed that China was behind the ''Google hacking'' incidents that caused certain high-profile peoples' Gmail accounts and other data in that ''cloud'' to be compromised. So it's not just the U.S. government, but potentially other governments or NGOs.
I suggest you do not assume that any data is truly secret simply because it is stored by Apple, and not AT&T. Recent history has shown us that even the largest companies cannot prevent their customers' private data from being acquired by governments, and in some cases, malicious ''hackers.''
You might also be interested to know that the largest airplane manufacturers, including Boeing, do not allow the government to copy or store the safety-related documentation that the government must approve before an aircraft is approved for use. In the case of Boeing, they store all the CAD models, blueprints, X-rays, engineering certifications, etc., and the FAA has to come to Boeing to inspect them. Boeing does not trust the FAA to keep their proprietary data from falling into competitors' hands, even though they are legally required to make that data available to the FAA for aircraft to be certified.
If you want something to be secret, don't put it in any cloud.
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I appreciate the skepticism of big business... there is no telling what anyone will do these days, and loyalty to a brand or corporation is a foolish concept at best IMO.
I use cloud computing to make my life easier... I sync stuff like calendars and contacts so when I'm on a gig and someone asks if I'm available, I can be 100% sure that all of my info is up to date, etc. I sync my bookmarks and a few other bits and pieces so the computers all look the same and use the cloud really just for transferring gig related files and assets (Yamaha SM files, Qlab assets, recordings, playback media) and things of that nature.
I agree that switching to a CLOUD only platform of computing is a very dicey concept as far as security is concerned, and I remember when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs first discussed the concept a good few years ago in an interview together... they spoke about it as though it was years and years off, and here we are with google producing a CLOUD only computer this year... YIKES!
With that being said, I feel like it is a very valuable tool, that let's me get more done in less time. Being able to do a location multitrack recording of an orchestra, bouncing the tracks out to 2-track mp3's and loading them onto the server (as the orchestra packs up) over my air-card... then e-mailing the download link to the musicians and conductor so they can all listen and review and pick which takes they liked best before the next rehearsal.... It's just awesome technology.
I know there are other ways to do it, but I'm not a computer guy... I'm an audio guy... a simple cloud product like mobile me, let's me do this in a simple, cheap and effective way that my end user clients can figure out quickly when they log in to find their files. Even lets me assign their project folders a password so other clients can't log in a listen to projects that are not theirs...
I don't know anyway... I have a feeling that there are some hard lessons down the road for cloud computing in general... but if you approach it correctly from your end, I think it can be a rewarding experience.
***I wanted to add that none of the material I have talked about as an ACTIVE cloud user of more then a few years is anything that I would consider any more sensitive then the e-mail that comes into my phone everyday anyway. Sure it would suck for someone to get a hold of my recordings, but they are mostly local orchestras and jazz groups... nothing that would have me worrying about bootleggers.
I'm not talking about backing up my banking records or a copy of the deed to a house on the cloud... I'm talking my address book (which contains no addresses... just phone numbers) ... my calendar and some audio crap... my email is already provided in mobile me... so that's fucked to start with.
My friends who use mobile me too (mostly musicians and a few photographers) all use the cloud in a very similar fashion and have great succes with it as a productivity tool.
I appreciate the skepticism of big business... there is no telling what anyone will do these days, and loyalty to a brand or corporation is a foolish concept at best IMO.
I use cloud computing to make my life easier... I sync stuff like calendars and contacts so when I'm on a gig and someone asks if I'm available, I can be 100% sure that all of my info is up to date, etc. I sync my bookmarks and a few other bits and pieces so the computers all look the same and use the cloud really just for transferring gig related files and assets (Yamaha SM files, Qlab assets, recordings, playback media) and things of that nature.
I agree that switching to a CLOUD only platform of computing is a very dicey concept as far as security is concerned, and I remember when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs first discussed the concept a good few years ago in an interview together... they spoke about it as though it was years and years off, and here we are with google producing a CLOUD only computer this year... YIKES!
With that being said, I feel like it is a very valuable tool, that let's me get more done in less time. Being able to do a location multitrack recording of an orchestra, bouncing the tracks out to 2-track mp3's and loading them onto the server (as the orchestra packs up) over my air-card... then e-mailing the download link to the musicians and conductor so they can all listen and review and pick which takes they liked best before the next rehearsal.... It's just awesome technology.
I know there are other ways to do it, but I'm not a computer guy... I'm an audio guy... a simple cloud product like mobile me, let's me do this in a simple, cheap and effective way that my end user clients can figure out quickly when they log in to find their files. Even lets me assign their project folders a password so other clients can't log in a listen to projects that are not theirs...
I don't know anyway... I have a feeling that there are some hard lessons down the road for cloud computing in general... but if you approach it correctly from your end, I think it can be a rewarding experience.
***I wanted to add that none of the material I have talked about as an ACTIVE cloud user of more then a few years is anything that I would consider any more sensitive then the e-mail that comes into my phone everyday anyway. Sure it would suck for someone to get a hold of my recordings, but they are mostly local orchestras and jazz groups... nothing that would have me worrying about bootleggers.
I'm not talking about backing up my banking records or a copy of the deed to a house on the cloud... I'm talking my address book (which contains no addresses... just phone numbers) ... my calendar and some audio crap... my email is already provided in mobile me... so that's fucked to start with.
My friends who use mobile me too (mostly musicians and a few photographers) all use the cloud in a very similar fashion and have great succes with it as a productivity tool.
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Agreed in general about cloud computing compromising privacy, a major reason I don't believe I'll ever get on the web ap bandwagon, ala Chrome Operating System.
That said: Phone numbers and email addresses are pretty readily available from the Telcos and ISPs, so I don't generally feel that my cloud-synced contact list is much of a privacy threat.
Agreed in general about cloud computing compromising privacy, a major reason I don't believe I'll ever get on the web ap bandwagon, ala Chrome Operating System.
That said: Phone numbers and email addresses are pretty readily available from the Telcos and ISPs, so I don't generally feel that my cloud-synced contact list is much of a privacy threat.