Out of curiosity, did you have the monitor filters engaged? The only time I've had problems with feedback is when the filters were left out after using them for a rental or sos gig.
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JBL PRX600 opinions
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Silas Pradetto
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Why are we complaining about feedback resistance out of the box? Professionals know how to use eq for this. No one box can be perfect for the hundreds of mics out there...
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If a tool exists that makes my job easier with no noticeable detractions, why not use it? Someone at jbl took the time to come up with a second preset in the internal DSP that would cut through the wash better and be more stable. I'd be mental not to use it.
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Silas Pradetto
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Except it doesn't do that at all. It has a low shelf and a high shelf filter intended to compensate for the excessive brightness present in the 'mains' mode, and for half-space loading.
Pretty much universally, 'cutting through on stage' and 'feedback resistant' are opposites. They are both in the same frequency range, one option there is too much, the other there is too little. I prefer whatever works for the artist and the stage.
Except it doesn't do that at all. It has a low shelf and a high shelf filter intended to compensate for the excessive brightness present in the 'mains' mode, and for half-space loading.
Pretty much universally, 'cutting through on stage' and 'feedback resistant' are opposites. They are both in the same frequency range, one option there is too much, the other there is too little. I prefer whatever works for the artist and the stage.
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You know what, I want to say I experimented with that switch but I'm not absolutely sure. I'll go borrow a 612m today and try it, and edit my post if it makes a significant difference.
You know what, I want to say I experimented with that switch but I'm not absolutely sure. I'll go borrow a 612m today and try it, and edit my post if it makes a significant difference.
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I assume this reply was intended for me and not Charles, who was quite possibly pointing out my user error.
Nonetheless, I mentioned GBF out of the box because it seems these boxes will be replacing Evans aging SRM450's, which he stated (in his LA post) go out quite often on dry rentals. Most rental customers are not seasoned professionals. They will more than likely be hanging these off of something like a Mackie VLZ at best, without any GEQ's or PEQ's. In this case GBF out of the box is an important point to consider IMO. And even when used by the Silias Pradetto's of the sound industry, why not start out with the cleanest slate possible?
I assume this reply was intended for me and not Charles, who was quite possibly pointing out my user error.
Nonetheless, I mentioned GBF out of the box because it seems these boxes will be replacing Evans aging SRM450's, which he stated (in his LA post) go out quite often on dry rentals. Most rental customers are not seasoned professionals. They will more than likely be hanging these off of something like a Mackie VLZ at best, without any GEQ's or PEQ's. In this case GBF out of the box is an important point to consider IMO. And even when used by the Silias Pradetto's of the sound industry, why not start out with the cleanest slate possible?
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If they don't know enough to have the proper equipment and know how to use it, all bets are off. It's a well-known fact that you cannot idiot-proof anything with the possible exception of death.
If they don't know enough to have the proper equipment and know how to use it, all bets are off. It's a well-known fact that you cannot idiot-proof anything with the possible exception of death.
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Thanks for all the insight and info. I went to Guitar Center and played with them this weekend. The wedge angle is the killer for me. Everything else is great about the boxes. I'll probably still pick up a few to replace my aging SRM's, but they won't be taking over wedge duty any time soon.
Thanks!
Evan
Thanks for all the insight and info. I went to Guitar Center and played with them this weekend. The wedge angle is the killer for me. Everything else is great about the boxes. I'll probably still pick up a few to replace my aging SRM's, but they won't be taking over wedge duty any time soon.
Thanks!
Evan
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The JBL is a better box simply because it can make you more money and its lighter, which makes you even more money saving on fuel costs. RCF and other off-brands are really for hobbyists, which is fine if you never intend to do anything interesting with your business. It might sound "better", if you define better as: "I already bought it, so even if it does suck and everyone else in the world hates it, I still must like it because I can't return these off brand speakers and I have to convince myself that I made a good buy" For the record, every speaker that RCF has ever made is wimpy and cheap compared to name brand speakers. I have heard many of them in real life and invariably the reason for purchasing them was, "well, I got a good price on them..."
good luck.
The JBL is a better box simply because it can make you more money and its lighter, which makes you even more money saving on fuel costs. RCF and other off-brands are really for hobbyists, which is fine if you never intend to do anything interesting with your business. It might sound "better", if you define better as: "I already bought it, so even if it does suck and everyone else in the world hates it, I still must like it because I can't return these off brand speakers and I have to convince myself that I made a good buy" For the record, every speaker that RCF has ever made is wimpy and cheap compared to name brand speakers. I have heard many of them in real life and invariably the reason for purchasing them was, "well, I got a good price on them..."
good luck.
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The JBL fanboi in me wants to agree. The logical adult in me is laughing at this.
The JBL fanboi in me wants to agree. The logical adult in me is laughing at this.
Silas Pradetto
Graduate Student
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LOL. Especially entertaining because RCF OEM manufactures some of the best drivers in existence for speakers like, oh, I don't know, the EAW KF series?
LOL. Especially entertaining because RCF OEM manufactures some of the best drivers in existence for speakers like, oh, I don't know, the EAW KF series?
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Unless your dropping several hundred pounds (like close to 1000#), you won't notice it in the MPG. My van loaded averages 15.47 mpg for the last 6 months and the few long trips I have taken without gear in the van I averaged 21-23mpg.
Unless your dropping several hundred pounds (like close to 1000#), you won't notice it in the MPG. My van loaded averages 15.47 mpg for the last 6 months and the few long trips I have taken without gear in the van I averaged 21-23mpg.
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So basically you are trying to say that JBL is a professional box and RCF is not? LOL, here in Europe every average sound guy will probably say the exact opposite thing. Now i will ask you to go and open a similar JBL and RCF boxes and just look inside. The difference is too big to be unnoticed.
So basically you are trying to say that JBL is a professional box and RCF is not? LOL, here in Europe every average sound guy will probably say the exact opposite thing. Now i will ask you to go and open a similar JBL and RCF boxes and just look inside. The difference is too big to be unnoticed.
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I wanted to hold off before suggesting this, but I was at a show last year where Turbosound Milans were deployed as monitors. I was very impressed. The near $1,000 price tag may be an inhibiting factor.
I wanted to hold off before suggesting this, but I was at a show last year where Turbosound Milans were deployed as monitors. I was very impressed. The near $1,000 price tag may be an inhibiting factor.
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I have a pair of the Turbosound Milan M15s. I have nothing but good things to say about them. They seem like a well thought out box. The monitor angle is good, Monitor angle is on both sides of the cab for mirrored monitors, dual angle pole mount, fly points are built in and it weighs 48lbs. I guess they may seem a little bulkier than other options. I have used them on many bigger shows as front fills or monitors and never had a complaint. Personally I am VERY happy with the sound quality. I will be purchasing at least 2 more.
I have a pair of the Turbosound Milan M15s. I have nothing but good things to say about them. They seem like a well thought out box. The monitor angle is good, Monitor angle is on both sides of the cab for mirrored monitors, dual angle pole mount, fly points are built in and it weighs 48lbs. I guess they may seem a little bulkier than other options. I have used them on many bigger shows as front fills or monitors and never had a complaint. Personally I am VERY happy with the sound quality. I will be purchasing at least 2 more.
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Well considering RCF drivers are in the EAW, Martin, Turbosound, D&B and many more systems, then you can really say that is true
Well considering RCF drivers are in the EAW, Martin, Turbosound, D&B and many more systems, then you can really say that is true
