Looking to buy Danley SM80 - should I do it?

Re: Looking to buy Danley SM80 - should I do it?

Kemper Watson said:
I keep forgetting that the setting are not exactly UX. But...I have heard the UX powered 650's. They weren't far apart at all..
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I might suggest that hearing the UX processed speakers and mixing on them may be different experiences. I usually can't tell much from hearing someone else's rig. My experience is that mixing on 850's processed and not that the processed box remains more defined and clear throughout it's useful range...esoecialky when doing detailed midrange eq'ing and such.
 
Re: Looking to buy Danley SM80 - should I do it?

Phil Graham said:
To be clear, I was able to match the Xilica processing within a 1/4dB to the EAW-provided transfer functions for the standard, non "focused" KF650z settings. These are not the UX8800 settings. There's no magic tuning here, just a faithful implementation of what EAW intended on standard processing.

To me the two boxes discussed here are in different classes of size/weight, and it really boils down to what you expect out of your top boxes in the low mids when it comes to determining what size of top box to use. Passing on some of that burden to the sub bandpass can be a prudent decision, especially when the subs are immediately adjacent to the top boxes.
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Hi Phil,

Exactly, the SM80 goes down about 200Hz and then starts to roll off. It’s about -3dB at 160Hz. The KF650z is -3 dB at 65Hz.

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/danley/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SM80-spec-sheet3.pdf
http://eaw.com/docs/1_Current_Products/KF/Spec_Sheets/KF650z_SPECS_rev1.pdf

You could say its almost like adding a 15” bass section to the SM80. As you know, it’s designed to be flown separately from the sub. To do this you need to get solidly down to about 80Hz, the bottom end of the vocal range.

In 2014 the KF650z is too heavy, the LF & Mid drivers needs to be replaced with Neo’s to save some weight.

FWIW I have posted a picture of what we use for the applications the OP described. It weighs about 55lbs and uses the same HF driver as the JTR and Danley SH 96-HO. In terms of output, it’s close to the 650 (also in the picture, note the neo bass driver) but not if you want it to go below 120 Hz.

From experience the Gunness focusing does make a noticeable difference on the KF650z.

@ Kemper, if you needed more coverage out of one box you should have bought KF695's :razz:, if you need to array 2 or more boxes, KF650s are the go.
 

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Re: Looking to buy Danley SM80 - should I do it?

Peter Morris said:
Hi Phil,

Exactly, the SM80 goes down about 200Hz and then starts to roll off. It’s about -3dB at 160Hz. The KF650z is -3 dB at 65Hz.

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/danley/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SM80-spec-sheet3.pdf
http://eaw.com/docs/1_Current_Products/KF/Spec_Sheets/KF650z_SPECS_rev1.pdf

You could say its almost like adding a 15” bass section to the SM80. As you know, it’s designed to be flown separately from the sub. To do this you need to get solidly down to about 80Hz, the bottom end of the vocal range.

uses the same HF driver as the JTR and Danley SH 96-HO.
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The SM80 was designed/intended to be used with a sub-not a full range cabinet. Sacrifice was made in the low freq department in order to get higher sensitivity and control over the excursion.

The JTR speakers (from what I have read) uses the 4593, which is a "lessor" version of the 4594 (Which is in the SH96HO)
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
The SM80 was designed/intended to be used with a sub-not a full range cabinet. Sacrifice was made in the low freq department in order to get higher sensitivity and control over the excursion.

The JTR speakers (from what I have read) uses the 4593, which is a "lessor" version of the 4594 (Which is in the SH96HO)
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The box in the picture uses the 4594, it was also was optimized as a mid-hi box and output above 100Hz was traded for LF extension. In Jim’s case this is exactly where I believe the best compromise is; boxes like your SM80, EAW KF394 or the JTR are probably the perfect solution.
 
Re: Looking to buy Danley SM80 - should I do it?

Thanks to all of the poeple who replied. I ordered a pair of SM80 yesterday from a local dealer.
After I gig with them for a bit, I'll try to make some videos and reviews if anyone is interested.
 
Re: Looking to buy Danley SM80 - should I do it?

Peter Morris said:
The box in the picture uses the 4594, it was also was optimized as a mid-hi box and output above 100Hz was traded for LF extension.
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There's no(t much) cheating of Hoffman's "iron law" available. Trading extension for sensitivity is on pretty solid engineering footing for many small speaker over subs applications. But you already know this :D~:-D~:grin:
 
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