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John Chiara said:
I mostly mix music. I sometimes am forced to mix on an iPad. I have an acquaintance who mixes every show on an iPad with a Presonus. It seems to me that only a very rudimentary style of mixing can be done on the Presonus iPad app as you can only do 1 thing at a time. An iPad app.. Or digital console for that matter... Without DCAs is worthless to me. At least the XiControl let's me assign things I need to adjust to DCA faders and at least approximate a dynamic mix.
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Along these lines, I feel like the entire Presonus Studiolive console series is pretty elementary. It doesn't offer any of the creative routing features that other consoles have. Sure, it probably does plenty for the average rock band, but when you compare it even to something 10+ years old like a DM1000 it's simply laughable.

For instance, I rarely gate the snare, but if I'm micing top and bottom and I'm having issues with the snares rattling, I like to gate the bottom mic with the key in referencing the top mic - definitely not possible on the Presonus stuff.

Disclaimer: I'm a Presonus dealer and sold a ton of these consoles until the X32 came out - I haven't sold one since.
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
Along these lines, I feel like the entire Presonus Studiolive console series is pretty elementary. It doesn't offer any of the creative routing features that other consoles have. Sure, it probably does plenty for the average rock band, but when you compare it even to something 10+ years old like a DM1000 it's simply laughable.

For instance, I rarely gate the snare, but if I'm micing top and bottom and I'm having issues with the snares rattling, I like to gate the bottom mic with the key in referencing the top mic - definitely not possible on the Presonus stuff.

Disclaimer: I'm a Presonus dealer and sold a ton of these consoles until the X32 came out - I haven't sold one since.
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Again, you're comparing it to something it isn't. "Elementary" is a relative term, in this case relative to the DM1K.

A more legitimate comparison is to what it replaces, things like the MixWiz, GL series desks, GB's, etc. You'd never compare those to a DM1K. This whole "doesn't measure up to XXXX" stuff is rather off the mark, IMO.

@ Blind Johnny

You don't mix from a pad, you tweak. At least that's my take on it.
 
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Dick Rees said:
Again, you're comparing it to something it isn't. "Elementary" is a relative term, in this case relative to the DM1K.

A more legitimate comparison is to what it replaces, things like the MixWiz, GL series desks, GB's, etc. You'd never compare those to a DM1K. This whole "doesn't measure up to XXXX" stuff is rather off the mark, IMO.

@ Blind Johnny

You don't mix from a pad, you tweak. At least that's my take on it.
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I would have no problem keying an external compressor with a different channel on a mixwiz.

And I'm comparing it to other $4000 consoles; $4000 buys a lot of console these days. The point of this thread was to ascertain if a $4000 console lacking so many features of comparably priced consoles was still worth it, and for many it's not. There is a select crowd that don't mind, though, because it does things that they want specifically.

Agreed about mixing on an iPad - I would never attempt it. I have a real Lenovo tablet that I would not attempt to mix a whole show on.
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
I would have no problem keying an external compressor with a different channel on a mixwiz.

And I'm comparing it to other $4000 consoles; $4000 buys a lot of console these days. The point of this thread was to ascertain if a $4000 console lacking so many features of comparably priced consoles was still worth it, and for many it's not. There is a select crowd that don't mind, though, because it does things that they want specifically.

Agreed about mixing on an iPad - I would never attempt it. I have a real Lenovo tablet that I would not attempt to mix a whole show on.
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Pricing is rather arbitrary, especially when things have been around long enough to hit the used market.

As to side-chaining a la the Wiz, you can do the same thing with an SLive using the direct outs and some outboard. Yes, it's not all internal, but the routing possibilities exist if you really want to do it.
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
Agreed about mixing on an iPad - I would never attempt it. I have a real Lenovo tablet that I would not attempt to mix a whole show on.
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To illuminate the world of poop that exists in my town, the aforementioned aquaintence is in charge of installing a system in a proposed 900 cap concert club. He told me... I am thInking of putting in a Presonus 24.4.2 and mix from an iPad. K12's for monitors and a Carvin Line Array. Maybe a monitor console...I am giving him a few riders to read this weekend...sheesh!
 
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John Chiara said:
To illuminate the world of poop that exists in my town, the aforementioned aquaintence is in charge of installing a system in a proposed 900 cap concert club. He told me... I am thInking of putting in a Presonus 24.4.2 and mix from an iPad. K12's for monitors and a Carvin Line Array. Maybe a monitor console...I am giving him a few riders to read this weekend...sheesh!
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Take your shovel with you.......
 
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Dick Rees said:
Again, you're comparing it to something it isn't. "Elementary" is a relative term, in this case relative to the DM1K.

A more legitimate comparison is to what it replaces, things like the MixWiz, GL series desks, GB's, etc. You'd never compare those to a DM1K. This whole "doesn't measure up to XXXX" stuff is rather off the mark, IMO.

@ Blind Johnny

You don't mix from a pad, you tweak. At least that's my take on it.
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This isn't directed at Dick personally, just general cheap gear comment-

If a product has to have a disclaimer of, "If this isn't compared with the closest competition, but with outdated apples to oranges products - then it's not too bad" - then something is out of whack. Lower features and longevity should have a corresponding lower cost. It's like 'proving' the cassette is great - forget the CD's out there, compare to wax cylinders, these cassettes are awesome!
 
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Caleb Dick said:
This isn't directed at Dick personally, just general cheap gear comment-

If a product has to have a disclaimer of, "If this isn't compared with the closest competition, but with outdated apples to oranges products - then it's not too bad" - then something is out of whack. Lower features and longevity should have a corresponding lower cost. It's like 'proving' the cassette is great - forget the CD's out there, compare to wax cylinders, these cassettes are awesome!
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Caleb...

Nothing personal, but that's BS.
 
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Caleb Dick said:
This isn't directed at Dick personally, just general cheap gear comment-

If a product has to have a disclaimer of, "If this isn't compared with the closest competition, but with outdated apples to oranges products - then it's not too bad" - then something is out of whack. Lower features and longevity should have a corresponding lower cost. It's like 'proving' the cassette is great - forget the CD's out there, compare to wax cylinders, these cassettes are awesome!
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This is not a good simile because the tape and the CD player are both nearly equal in cost.

I think that the Presonus 32.4.2 has pretty steep competition from the Behringer X32 with the former being a full $1000.00 less expensive AND having motorized faders. I will give the Presonus the nod for having dedicated 32 sliders one to each input channel while the X32 must switch 16 input faders between 2 layers (making the need for motorized faders much more than a "nice to have" feature).

I also think that the Presonus work-flow "feels" more like an analog board (at least it does to someone like me that is used to a MixWiz).
 
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The Presonus still needs the channel to be selected to activate the controls so that is the same, and without DCAs you might need to randomly need to grab a handful of faders. No less digital in any way except less flexibility.
 
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John Chiara said:
The Presonus still needs the channel to be selected to activate the controls so that is the same, and without DCAs you might need to randomly need to grab a handful of faders. No less digital in any way except less flexibility.
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The SLive is not a digital console. It is a "digi-log" console. The signals pass through and are processed in digital form, but all the controls are basically analog.
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
And I'm comparing it to other $4000 consoles; $4000 buys a lot of console these days. The point of this thread was to ascertain if a $4000 console lacking so many features of comparably priced consoles was still worth it, and for many it's not. There is a select crowd that don't mind, though, because it does things that they want specifically.
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Having followed the mixer/console business for a while I thought I'd offer some historical perspective. Many here may remember when the remarkable console price breakthrough was the Mackie (analog) 8-bus for the low low price of $3,999.00 . As they say times change, $4k used to be cheap for an analog 8-bus, now it's expensive for a entry level digital. Interesting times, but lets not complain, please.

JR

PS: Lowering the barrier to entry means more boys and girls can run away to join the circus... fun fun fun...
 
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Chuck Simon said:
Now that's the kind of intelligent information and commentary that I come her for! It's kind of cool that I and many others can make money and help people sound good with a board that "sucks"!
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Glad you like my witty and informed commentary. :D

Hey, Dick Rees likes it, but then again he plays accordion... I think Presonus has a arrangement with Baldoni to install bellows on Dick's SL so his will blow instead of suck.

I've mixed on the SL and hated it. I'd take a MixWiz or an 01v (the original silver one) over the Studio Live.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim "I say what I think" Mc
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
Glad you like my witty and informed commentary. :D

Hey, Dick Rees likes it, but then again he plays accordion... I think Presonus has a arrangement with Baldoni to install bellows on Dick's SL so his will blow instead of suck.
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OK, you made me laugh! As a banjo player, I have sympathy for accordian players.

You know what perfect pitch is - throw an accordian into a dumpster and hit a banjo!
 
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Wow, I have just confessed that I like the Personus Studiolive AND Banjo music(and will kinda tolerate accordions). I should be on Maury Povich!
 
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