Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Jay Barracato

Jay Barracato

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I just got a new 01Vi for myself. Most of my shows I am provided with a mixer and I refuse to by anything large. So my goal was to have something small and flexible for the few shows I need to provide my own mixer.

For comparison I have been doing these shows with a mixwiz 16.2, a mx400 effects unit, 2 dbx 1066, 2 dbx 266, and a Sabine nav4800 for system control .

I am looking at options for the 01V. Honestly 95% if my shows will work with the 12 preamps. Most of those that don't will still be OK using the line in channels, so I am not as concerned with expanding inputs.

I would like to get a full 8 aux outs, mostly for a couple of stereo iems. Right now I am patched with aux 1-4 to omni outs 1-4 and auxes 5-8 feeding the effects engines. It appears I can move the effects to 4 of the buses.

If I am reading the manual and the website correctly that leaves me with four options:

1. The cheapest is the MY4-da card which would add 4 xlr outputs to go with the 4 trs omni outs.

2. The MY8-da96 card would give 8 outputs using a db25 connector requiring an adapter snake. Still not a bad price combined. I would still probably want some sort of outboard eq with options 1 and 2.

3. Using adat to an external output device. I am not thrilled about an ada8000. The only other dedicated output device I have seen uses the db25 connector so the card would be preferred. The other option I am kind of liking is using adat into a deq830 to add the eq.

4. The high dollar option appears to be an AES output card into another DSP with AES inputs.

How well does the ADAT connection work in a portable situation where it is connected and disconnected every show?

Any options I missed?

Once again my goal is the smallest footprint possible.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

I used ADAT to a Presonus Digimax FS with my 01v96. This gave an additional (8) preamps and (8) 1/4" outputs all in a 1U unit.

Make sure to use BNC for the clock signal though. I was having some issues with clock integrity using ADAT; Steve Petrak recommended switching to BNC which solved the problem. (Be sure to use a 75Ω cable.)

Other than that, I haven't had any audio issues using the ADAT connection. Make sure to cover the ends up the cable and the connectors on the external device / 01v.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Yamaha makes some AES preamps that may be another option in line with item 4.

AD8HR | Interfaces | Products | Yamaha

Not the cheapest solution, but having more AES would be the most flexible, like you said...straight into DSP/Amps/Other Mixers. The ad8hr can have its gains controlled by some yamaha mixers, but i don't think the 01V
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

The Presonus unit David mentions is popular, followed by a Focusrite unit. I still see the ADA8000, too.

If you use an ADAT optical interface, by all means take David's advice about clock distribution via BNC. He's spot on.
 
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Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Arrrg///

Too quick on the look=see, not enough read.

I'd swear I've seen the same jack configuration for outputs, but I can't find it on the intertubes, only the DB25.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

I use a Digimax D8 for 8 extra inputs (via ADAT and BNC clock) and a DEQ830 for every single event. I've had no issues in the three plus years using this setup.

I'll also mirror the comments on using 75 ohm BNC cables, and also make sure you terminate properly, I don't know if the Digimax FS has a built in term, but I know the D8 does not, so I used a T-connector and a terminator.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Jay Barracato said:
.... I would like to get a full 8 aux outs, mostly for a couple of stereo iems. ....
How well does the ADAT connection work in a portable situation where it is connected and disconnected every show?
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I've personally not had any problems using the ADAT links but I did invest in some higher quality optical cables than the average ones for home hifi.

I still have 2 ADA8000's which I previously used a lot without problems. (I don't like their mic pres though.)

Now if I need more I/O, I run two 01v96's in cascade with ADAT in both directions providing the cascade signal links.
 
Craig Basten said:
I use a Digimax D8 for 8 extra inputs (via ADAT and BNC clock) and a DEQ830 for every single event. I've had no issues in the three plus years using this setup.

I'll also mirror the comments on using 75 ohm BNC cables, and also make sure you terminate properly, I don't know if the Digimax FS has a built in term, but I know the D8 does not, so I used a T-connector and a terminator.
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Craig,

Are you going ADAT to the deq830? How does it word clock? I didn't see a BNC.

Once again I am more concerned with outputs and I would really like to keep the processing rack to 2u.

I have looked at the websites for the new digimax and focusrite and both are not clear if the outputs are independent of the inputs.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Jay Barracato said:
I just got a new 01Vi for myself. Most of my shows I am provided with a mixer and I refuse to by anything large. So my goal was to have something small and flexible for the few shows I need to provide my own mixer.

For comparison I have been doing these shows with a mixwiz 16.2, a mx400 effects unit, 2 dbx 1066, 2 dbx 266, and a Sabine nav4800 for system control .

I am looking at options for the 01V. Honestly 95% if my shows will work with the 12 preamps. Most of those that don't will still be OK using the line in channels, so I am not as concerned with expanding inputs.

I would like to get a full 8 aux outs, mostly for a couple of stereo iems. Right now I am patched with aux 1-4 to omni outs 1-4 and auxes 5-8 feeding the effects engines. It appears I can move the effects to 4 of the buses.

If I am reading the manual and the website correctly that leaves me with four options:

1. The cheapest is the MY4-da card which would add 4 xlr outputs to go with the 4 trs omni outs.

2. The MY8-da96 card would give 8 outputs using a db25 connector requiring an adapter snake. Still not a bad price combined. I would still probably want some sort of outboard eq with options 1 and 2.

3. Using adat to an external output device. I am not thrilled about an ada8000. The only other dedicated output device I have seen uses the db25 connector so the card would be preferred. The other option I am kind of liking is using adat into a deq830 to add the eq.

4. The high dollar option appears to be an AES output card into another DSP with AES inputs.

How well does the ADAT connection work in a portable situation where it is connected and disconnected every show?

Any options I missed?

Once again my goal is the smallest footprint possible.
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I use ADAT Connections with several of my mixers and preamp racks. And they all have one thing in common: The ADAT connections are permanent and whatever gear is interconnected is either mounted in the same case, or ADAT is converted to another format before leaving the case. I don't trust ADAT for repeated connections. Following this rule I have had ZERO issues running word clock/sync over ADAT!:)
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Another thing to keep an eye on, depending on what you're driving, is the output voltage spec. Main and omni outs are up to +24dBu (assuming we're talking 01V96), but there's variances even with just the MY cards. Outboard devices can be much less - the ADA8k is only +16 dBu.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Jay Barracato said:
Craig,

Are you going ADAT to the deq830? How does it word clock? I didn't see a BNC.

Once again I am more concerned with outputs and I would really like to keep the processing rack to 2u.

I have looked at the websites for the new digimax and focusrite and both are not clear if the outputs are independent of the inputs.
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ADAT carries clock signal in addition to the eight digital audio channels. So, on outputs, there is no need for an additional sync cable. I believe this is also the case on units that have inputs and outputs, no need for an additional wordclock BNC as long as you're outputting optical to the unit.

In my case where I have separate boxes for inputs and outputs, that BNC cable is absolutely required. (for the D8 only). The only way around it would be to slave the desk to the D8 internal clock which I won't do under any circumstance.

Long story short, for the DEQ830 the optical cable is the only one you need.

Edit: BNC wordclock is still the more reliable method if the device you're using has a facility for it. The DEQ830 does not but works fine. If I was using an 8-in, 8-out unit I would still use BNC even though it's not technically necessary. Any hiccup in sync and you lose audio on the outboard device.
 
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Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

If all you want is 4 more outs, then get the MY4-DA. It's self-contained with durable connectors. If you may want more inputs, then maybe a different case that allows you to leave the system attached would be a good idea. I have one of my 01vs in a RoadReady RRM6U Road Ready - Road Ready Cases - Pro Audio - Slant Rack Systems - 10U SLANT MIXER RACK / 6 U VERTICAL RACK SYSTEM (yes the 01v does fit - it hangs forward into the front lid), which gives a few rack spaces under the mixer so you can leave the ADAT cables attached. It looks like they make an RRM2U Road Ready - Road Ready Cases - Pro Audio - Slant Rack Systems - 10U SLANT MIXER RACK / 2 U VERTICAL RACK SYSTEM that would be a little smaller, also.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

TJ Cornish said:
If all you want is 4 more outs, then get the MY4-DA. It's self-contained with durable connectors. If you may want more inputs, then maybe a different case that allows you to leave the system attached would be a good idea. I have one of my 01vs in a RoadReady RRM6U Road Ready - Road Ready Cases - Pro Audio - Slant Rack Systems - 10U SLANT MIXER RACK / 6 U VERTICAL RACK SYSTEM (yes the 01v does fit - it hangs forward into the front lid), which gives a few rack spaces under the mixer so you can leave the ADAT cables attached. It looks like they make an RRM2U Road Ready - Road Ready Cases - Pro Audio - Slant Rack Systems - 10U SLANT MIXER RACK / 2 U VERTICAL RACK SYSTEM that would be a little smaller, also.
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Right now I am thinking of getting the DEQ830 for the monitor outputs. If the ADAT proves problematic, I can then add one of the cards and use a regular drive snake.

I am really trying to stay in the cases I already have as they fit nicely in my car. Few cases are labeled as "Yaris pack".
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Jay Barracato said:
Right now I am thinking of getting the DEQ830 for the monitor outputs. If the ADAT proves problematic, I can then add one of the cards and use a regular drive snake.

I am really trying to stay in the cases I already have as they fit nicely in my car. Few cases are labeled as "Yaris pack".
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You'd be hard pressed to get a better bang for the buck than the DEQ830. Takes care of your D/A conversion AND your desire for graphics on your outputs. I'm not a big fan of the 1/4" connectors, but that's not a deal breaker.

As to the ADAT connector being robust enough... Well, i'm not a huge fan of them, but they are workable so long as you use good quality cables that fit snugly. ideally though, you'd package this in such a way that you could connect the ADAT output to your DEQ830 and not have to plug and unplug it every gig. i'm think some sort of rack mount thing with the DEQ mounted above the mixer, or some such. The ADAT connection Should Be sufficient for word clock, although it doesn't hurt to run BNC as well as that's obviously more robust.

If you do decide to go with something other than the DEQ830, don't be afraid of the ADA8k for a D/A converter. the chipset is pretty much the same one everyone else uses. Mine have worked just fine for me. I'm not a huge fan of the Mic Pres on them, but the newer ADA8200 might sort some of that out. and you never know when you might need an extra input or two.

One other note to keep in mind. To get 8 outs from one ADAT plug, you're gonna be running at 48K. i frankly think it makes not one whit of difference, but it's worth noting nonetheless.

oh, and if the subject line is referencing me... I have an overwhelming urge to channel my inner Sally Field.... :)
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Thanks all, now I just have to find the DEQ830 for sale. They seem to be noticeably missing in many of the online dealers.

And Brian I was looking to get your attention, but since I am a book and music type person rather than TV and movies, I don't get the Sally Fields reference.
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Jay Barracato said:
Thanks all, now I just have to find the DEQ830 for sale. They seem to be noticeably missing in many of the online dealers.

And Brian I was looking to get your attention, but since I am a book and music type person rather than TV and movies, I don't get the Sally Fields reference.
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sally somewhat famously had an overly effusive reaction to winning her Oscar...

"You like me!" - YouTube
 
Re: Questions for 01V power users (hi Brian)

Hi Jay,

I have 01V96s in a couple small venues and one for myself.
All three have MY4-DA cards which have been rock solid.

I have an analog two-channel DBX preamp if I need a couple more XLRs.
I have four ADA8000s. Two work, two don't and are parts donors.(One no longer has a power supply.)
The ADA8000s get used for a few events a month, and the ADAT connections are fine for the plugging and unplugging.
I'll likely try the ADA8200 when it is released, as Behringer appears to be again putting some effort in to service.

If I correctly remember a thread on the 01V96 forum from a couple years ago, sync over ADAT can actually have some benefit over BNC when using one outboard device. When using multiple devices, definitely go BNC.
Lifatec.com used to make nice duplex ADAT cables - a pair that was fused together, with different colored ends.

I have nice wedges and for several years now have been using only the four-band Aux EQ for monitors.
Note that there is a way to stack Aux and Group EQ for eight filters.
If you need the DEQ830 to have graphs at hand, I understand.

I use Andy Broughton's SendsOnFaders which makes monitor mixing pretty quick.

Many of my gigs are under 16 inputs, so I have monitors on one layer, house on the other.
An advantage of this is the ability to use the 'main' faders on the monitor layer through a couple groups for another stereo monitor out.

Have fun and good health, Weogo
 
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