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Eric Cagle said:
Hard to tell on the computer speakers. Probably sounds much better through a few 18's. The mix is nice and clear at least.
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I'm listening with Sennheiser 280's via my Alesis iO2 USB interface. I can hear enough to know that even if the little recorder mic couldn't handle the LF, there's too much splat/crap on top of it for my taste. The recording may miss the bass, but it surely doesn't add that hash.......
 
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Dick Rees said:
They really want the kick to sound like that?
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It did sound much better than the video/audio. Very hyped in the 5k region. I usually have to pull it out because I'm not a fan of this sound. This is what the band wanted and the mic delivered that sound.

This band we were able to reach a compromise and to me a much better sound from the mic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T0skwmv5DU
 
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Jonathan Betts said:
It did sound much better than the video/audio. Very hyped in the 5k region. I usually have to pull it out because I'm not a fan of this sound. This is what the band wanted and the mic delivered that sound.

This band we were able to reach a compromise and to me a much better sound from the mic.

Seth Yacovone and friends/ JBL SRX 712/718 - YouTube
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Capt. Beefheart/Hot Rats at a wedding dance. Love Grandma in the pink jacket grooving in front of the band.

Still too much "wet fish" from the kick for me. Why do bands like that?

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Here's a YouTube link to a kick mic shootout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjukJgosd9M

Mics aside, that is one crappy sounding kick drum. Sounds like half the tension brackets are missing. Tres flabby.

I prefer to place the mic inside the drum, about 3-4" from the beater and a tad off-center to it. Not a fan of just sticking the mic in the hole.......
 
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Dick Rees said:
Capt. Beefheart/Hot Rats at a wedding dance. Love Grandma in the pink jacket grooving in front of the band.

Still too much "wet fish" from the kick for me. Why do bands like that?
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I agree. I think it is the in thing nowadays. It does make the kick cut through nice though.
 
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Are you sure your D6 was working correctly?

Anyways, besides the usual kick suspects..... try some flatter microphones... like the m88 as suggested above.... a few of my inexpensive favorites are a Senn. 421 (never let me down...) or a EV RE20.
 
Mike Brown said:
Are you sure your D6 was working correctly?

Anyways, besides the usual kick suspects..... try some flatter microphones... like the m88 as suggested above.... a few of my inexpensive favorites are a Senn. 421 (never let me down...) or a EV RE20.
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I tend to buy mics with this strategy, one with a hyped profile backed by something flat.
 
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Dick Rees said:
Capt. Beefheart/Hot Rats at a wedding dance. Love Grandma in the pink jacket grooving in front of the band.

Still too much "wet fish" from the kick for me. Why do bands like that?

Edit:

Here's a YouTube link to a kick mic shootout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjukJgosd9M

Mics aside, that is one crappy sounding kick drum. Sounds like half the tension brackets are missing. Tres flabby.

I prefer to place the mic inside the drum, about 3-4" from the beater and a tad off-center to it. Not a fan of just sticking the mic in the hole.......
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+1

In that video, the only mics that sounded any good were the Neumann and the MD441. One wonders how much of that was the placement.
 
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Here's a few vids of my SM91/D6 combo. The 91 does 90% of the work, while the D6 just adds some thump. Take it with a grain of salt, as these are all 3rd party videos, but I think you'll get the point.

I Feel Like Dancing- All Time Low UMBC 5/7/11 - YouTube

All Time Low - Guts Boston 7/31/11 - YouTube

Do You Want Me Dead - All Time Low @ Hammersmith Apollo - YouTube

Keep in mind, a huge PA helps a good bit, along with a good sounding source, but man, I love the 91/D6 combo!



Evan



Evan
 
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Listening with lexicon interface and Tannoy monitors.... The kick sound just doesn't sound musical.
I wouldn't affix blame on any aspect of the PA until I could verify whether or not the instrument itself didn't sound like a wet cardboard box
 
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Mike Brown said:
... a few of my inexpensive favorites are a Senn. 421 (never let me down...) or a EV RE20.
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Wow! 28 responses before somebody finally said this.

One of those two has always worked for me, but I'm just some old guy. What do I know? 8)~8-)~:cool:

I used to own a D-12E (the enhanced version of the vintage D-12). It was the very definition of "wooly". I think I only ever found one kick drum that it worked well in. It did a good job for a trombone player who wanted me to "turn the top end down all the way" though.

GTD
 
Mike Brown said:
Are you sure your D6 was working correctly?

Anyways, besides the usual kick suspects..... try some flatter microphones... like the m88 as suggested above.... a few of my inexpensive favorites are a Senn. 421 (never let me down...) or a EV RE20.
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I dig both of those mics and have owned both at different times... Used a pair of 421's on floor toms over the weekend with great results. I'm not sure I'd describe them as inexpensive though in the kick drum category.

Having used all three extensively, I still carry the 902. It's a great secondary mic because I usually won't run into them in house / provider mic kits.
 
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Steve Milner said:
I do believe that they are re-issuing the original square D12 (AKG) ... which should be interesting to try, if it's not already out there.
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It's called d12vr. I'm currently testing one and will most likely keep it. It works great on kickdrum, guitar cab and vox so far, so it's quite versatile and not only for bass instruments.

It's not a re-issue of the d12 but rather some mixture of the d12 and d112. I'm not a fan of the d112, but the d12vr I like a lot...
 
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... a few of my inexpensive favorites are a Senn. 421 (never let me down...) or a EV RE20.
Geoff Doane said:
Wow! 28 responses before somebody finally said this.

One of those two has always worked for me, but I'm just some old guy. What do I know? 8)~8-)~:cool:

I used to own a D-12E (the enhanced version of the vintage D-12). It was the very definition of "wooly". I think I only ever found one kick drum that it worked well in. It did a good job for a trombone player who wanted me to "turn the top end down all the way" though.

GTD
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Unfortunately, the new 421s did let me down. Bought a pair, babied them (never even used them on kick) and both failed shortly after the warranty period. They looked brand new, and Sennheiser wanted almost the same price to replace the cartridges as they cost new, something just under $400, not "inexpensive" to me. The new thinner voice coils just don't stand up to the abuse the older ones did.

I have a pair of 421s from the 1960's that still sound great.

My favorite kick drum mic is the EV RE27, a neodymium magnet version of the RE20, it has more extended HF response and more output.
The RE series mics have no proximity effect, so the sound is not tied to the distance from the head. Much more flexible than any of the "usual suspects", but does require a bit more bass boost than you get with normal cardioid mics since the bass is not boosted when placed close to the sound source.

Art
 
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Yes, Art, yes!

We have a desk drawer with at least 8 MD421 in it, none working. Sennheiser's inability or unwillingness to repair them at a reasonable cost is why we don't purchase Sennheiser wired mics any more and why I make it a point to not recommend them.

Your suggestion of the RE27 is spot on, and have been keeping an eye out for them in pawn shops and on Craig's List.
 
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