X32 Discussion

Re: X32 discussion - release date!

Just looked at Studiospares site - they have updated their availability date from something like 1st August ( which seemed early) to tomorrow!!!!!! Maybe they meant to say August!? ( the date may have changed again by the time you click the link!!)

" Expected Back In Stock:
22[SUP]nd[/SUP] June 2012"
 
Re: X32 discussion - release date!

Wow, I don't think Ive been this exited over the release of something ever!!
I'm just waiting for production room (Leeds) to ring when they get one in for me to play with
 
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kristianjohnsen said:
In my experience, the most common use of input delays is to match the audio of video playback to the latency found in many video projectors or LCD/LED-screens. In this case, having the input delay affect any and all monitors is a good thing.
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Certainly, some sources and some monitor positions benefit from having the tap point post delay, other times you really need to tap predelay. Delaying everything to align with front mics and then group delaying from the front mics to mains works well for singer IEM and allmost everything else. Group delaying the drums and backline is also an option, but too many groupdelays will eat up the onboard inserts, so having the option to tap the IEM signal predelay would be an advantage and would allow you to actually use the input delays in a multiple IEM situation. Why have it if you can't use it?
 
Re: X32 discussion - release date!

Nick Davis said:
Just looked at Studiospares site - they have updated their availability date from something like 1st August ( which seemed early) to tomorrow!!!!!! Maybe they meant to say August!? ( the date may have changed again by the time you click the link!!)

" Expected Back In Stock:
22[SUP]nd[/SUP] June 2012"
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Probably means they accept pre orders. Good price though!
 
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Christian Boche said:
Sorry, don't want to offend you, but I think it is just the opposite!
I did hundreds of shows with the Yamaha 01V and 01V96, and their faders are way more noisier and slower in reaction.
Ok, I had the direct comparison, so it is easier for me to evaluate-->



In addition, if you link two channels on a Yamaha LS9/M7CL, Roland M400 or even a Soundcraft Si - one fader is always significant slower than the other.
This is also better with the X32.
Don't know about the knobs on the X32 either. The X32 are not wobbly, easy to rotate and also precise. Nothing wrong with them inho. In comparision, you need more "force" to turn the Pots on a PreSonus SL.
I know, I sound like a Behringer Fan Boy and in fact after 25 gigs on a X32 I'm a fan...at least of the X32. ;-)
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Christian,

What are the "cons" of the X32? Meaning, what are some of the downsides or things you wish could be improved with the console?
 
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Well this is very subjective, but it would have been nice, to have 48 mic inputs and four or eight more FX slots. Sure that's not doable with this price tag, but I hope there will be a X48 someday. My personal complain list is really short.
I miss a DeEsser and a Multibandcompressor...but these might come with an major update someday. Two things about the operation. If you change the preDelay in a reverb algo, the reverb is shortly muted during the parameter change. No big deal for me, when I change something on a reverb during a song, it is the reverb time or the hiCut.
One other thing that annoys me a bit, is part of the "Sends on fader" behaivor. If you like to give the drummer more kick drum on his drum fill, you hit the sends on fader button and the DCA section changes immediatly to the mixbusses layer. That's fine, you select the Drummer mixbus and rise the fader on input 1. Still everything is fine, but now when you hit the sends on fader button again to go back where you came from, it stays in the MixSends Bus Layer and dosen't change back to the DCA section. So you have to hit the DCA Layer button again. One step to much for me. Normaly you want to set the monitor level and then go back to the DCAs directly. Sure, it is no big deal...but I needed about ten shows, until I instantly pushed the DCA button again to leave the mixbus layer. Otherwise, the X32 has a nice and fast workfow for a console of this pricerange.
Christian
 
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Christian Boche said:
Well this is very subjective, but it would have been nice, to have 48 mic inputs and four or eight more FX slots. Sure that's not doable with this price tag, but I hope there will be a X48 someday. My personal complain list is really short.
I miss a DeEsser and a Multibandcompressor...but these might come with an major update someday. Two things about the operation. If you change the preDelay in a reverb algo, the reverb is shortly muted during the parameter change. No big deal for me, when I change something on a reverb during a song, it is the reverb time or the hiCut.
One other thing that annoys me a bit, is part of the "Sends on fader" behaivor. If you like to give the drummer more kick drum on his drum fill, you hit the sends on fader button and the DCA section changes immediatly to the mixbusses layer. That's fine, you select the Drummer mixbus and rise the fader on input 1. Still everything is fine, but now when you hit the sends on fader button again to go back where you came from, it stays in the MixSends Bus Layer and dosen't change back to the DCA section. So you have to hit the DCA Layer button again. One step to much for me. Normaly you want to set the monitor level and then go back to the DCAs directly. Sure, it is no big deal...but I needed about ten shows, until I instantly pushed the DCA button again to leave the mixbus layer. Otherwise, the X32 has a nice and fast workfow for a console of this pricerange.
Christian
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Thanks. That's very helpful.

Branin
 
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Jörgen Gustavsson said:
There's a text below: " Please note this product has not been released, but is available to pre-order. Please call us for more information. "
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Yeh that was there when the "expected back in stock" was in August - presume the date is simply a mistake - same date as for their P16 distributer which were in stock but sold out
 
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Jeff Babcock said:
+1 on this. If any Music Group folks are reading this thread, please consider these to be included in the FX in a future update. Super useful tools.
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One of the few plusses for the Presonus is the inclusion of analog inserts on every channel. Without that more comprehensive effects would be great.
 
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Christian Boche said:
Well this is very subjective, but it would have been nice, to have 48 mic inputs and four or eight more FX slots. Sure that's not doable with this price tag, but I hope there will be a X48 someday. My personal complain list is really short.
I miss a DeEsser and a Multibandcompressor...but these might come with an major update someday. Two things about the operation. If you change the preDelay in a reverb algo, the reverb is shortly muted during the parameter change. No big deal for me, when I change something on a reverb during a song, it is the reverb time or the hiCut.
One other thing that annoys me a bit, is part of the "Sends on fader" behaivor. If you like to give the drummer more kick drum on his drum fill, you hit the sends on fader button and the DCA section changes immediatly to the mixbusses layer. That's fine, you select the Drummer mixbus and rise the fader on input 1. Still everything is fine, but now when you hit the sends on fader button again to go back where you came from, it stays in the MixSends Bus Layer and dosen't change back to the DCA section. So you have to hit the DCA Layer button again. One step to much for me. Normaly you want to set the monitor level and then go back to the DCAs directly. Sure, it is no big deal...but I needed about ten shows, until I instantly pushed the DCA button again to leave the mixbus layer. Otherwise, the X32 has a nice and fast workfow for a console of this pricerange.
Christian
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http://www.behringer.com/assets/X32_Tools_English.pdf
 
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Is it possible to run a pair of these units with the same digital input snake? I see you can pass through to personal monitor systems, but there's no way I'd want to put THAT in the hands of a performer. Imagine the feedback problems you'd get.

In an ideal world, you would have the monitor desk, and patch directly in, and then run a cat 5 to front of house for mains. No need for external input boxes that way. Is that possible?? Does ANY board offer that as an option? If not, why not?
 
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Brian jojade said:
Is it possible to run a pair of these units with the same digital input snake? I see you can pass through to personal monitor systems, but there's no way I'd want to put THAT in the hands of a performer. Imagine the feedback problems you'd get.

In an ideal world, you would have the monitor desk, and patch directly in, and then run a cat 5 to front of house for mains. No need for external input boxes that way. Is that possible?? Does ANY board offer that as an option? If not, why not?
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assuming i understand correctly, you can indeed do just as you say. run inputs into the monitor console, run a cat5 out to FOH and you're done. you can also choose to use some of the local inputs from each desk solely at that desk. so if for example you had ambient mics in the monitor desk, you could choose to not use those at FOH and instead patch in your CD player locally.

FWIW, i read another thread recently that explained that this exact thing was also possible with the Midas Pro1. again, we're talking about the same digital snake architecture [aes50], so that makes sense. i'm sure there are other examples as well...
 
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Oh man, if that's really the case, I'm pretty excited. That means all you need is two desks and a piece of cat 5? What about the outputs? Could you direct the mains back through the monitor desk, or would that require copper back? I could live with that if necessary, I suppose.
 
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What I see in all of this is a way to replace thinking and working humans.

I got into audio because I liked the human contributions that artistic technicians brought to musicians. Why are we cutting out people?
 
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I'm guessing you are referring to having the musicians run their own monitor mixes versus having a monitor tech on duty. That's exactly what I want to avoid. No, I don't want musicians creating their own mix. I've got people to do that. It works SOOO much better having musicians do their thing, and let the sound guys actually make it work right.

What I do want to do is lessen the number of wires that have to be pulled and connections that need to be made to get the job done. If I can remove the split snake from my setup, that's about a hundred less connections that can go wrong during the show!
 
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Brian jojade said:
Oh man, if that's really the case, I'm pretty excited. That means all you need is two desks and a piece of cat 5? What about the outputs? Could you direct the mains back through the monitor desk, or would that require copper back? I could live with that if necessary, I suppose.
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that one i'm not sure about. guess we'll have to wait until we can get ahold of more documentation from our friends at B...
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
What I see in all of this is a way to replace thinking and working humans.

I got into audio because I liked the human contributions that artistic technicians brought to musicians. Why are we cutting out people?
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i'm not sure what you're referring to here. i certainly would second your premise. i'm just not sure where we're cutting the humans out of the equation. other than maybe less labor running a lot of heavy copper...
 
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