X32 Discussion

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Hi all!

Just been trying to work out what this desk with the addition of the S16 digital multicore and P16M personal mixers can do...

Would I be right in saying that I can simply attach a chain of P16M personal mixers to the Ultranet port on the desk and run them with 16 channels of audio? What's more, are we saying that I can also connect a daisy-chain of P16Ms to the Ultranet port on the S16 in the same way, for the same functionality? How do I get 32 channels of audio down to 16 channels for the monitor feeds? Can I submix the drums and send them down as a stereo feed on channels 1 and 2 of the P16Ms?

The Behringer website is confusing because it lists rack mounts that seem to take 16 analogue INs and convert to CAT5e but doesn't mention the straight digital connections. Plus there are other boxes that do different things (the hub for example) but it doesn't say whether you need them.

As I see it, I can run the X32 at FOH and use boring copper (which I've already got) PLUS CAT5e for the Ultranet feed to the P16Ms and I wouldn't need an S16 stagebox or a distribution hub or the Powerplay A to D rack?

Thanks. :)

Kind regards, Andrew.
Carillon Video - Professional Wedding Videographer & Wedding Video Production Services in Bolton, Manchester & all over the UK
Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!
 
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Andrew Prince said:
Hi all!

Just been trying to work out what this desk with the addition of the S16 digital multicore and P16M personal mixers can do...

Would I be right in saying that I can simply attach a chain of P16M personal mixers to the Ultranet port on the desk and run them with 16 channels of audio? Yes!

What's more, are we saying that I can also connect a daisy-chain of P16Ms to the Ultranet port on the S16 in the same way, for the same functionality?Yes!
 How do I get 32 channels of audio down to 16 channels for the monitor feeds? Can I submix the drums and send them down as a stereo feed on channels 1 and 2 of the P16Ms? Yes!

The Behringer website is confusing because it lists rack mounts that seem to take 16 analogue INs and convert to CAT5e but doesn't mention the straight digital connections. These are only needed, when you don't have a x32 Plus there are other boxes that do different things (the hub for example) but it doesn't say whether you need them. The Hub is extremly useful, because it sends a powered P-16 signal. So you don't any wallwarts for your P-16M with this hub.

As I see it, I can run the X32 at FOH and use boring copper (which I've already got) PLUS CAT5e for the Ultranet feed to the P16Ms and I wouldn't need an S16 stagebox or a distribution hub or the Powerplay A to D rack?
You just need to lay out one CAT5 cable from the X32 P-16 (Ultranet) out to the first P-16M, from there you can daisy chain up to six P-16M. But I would go first into a P-16D Distributor (the Hub) and than hook up your P-16M mixers to it.
Thanks. :)

Kind regards, Andrew.
Carillon Video - Professional Wedding Videographer & Wedding Video Production Services in Bolton, Manchester & all over the UK
Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!
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Christian
 
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Christian!

It seems to me that Behringer owes you big time for all your helpful posts. Thank you very much for your information. :)

My shopping list is complete:

- Behringer X32 digital console
- Behringer P-16D Distributor
- 4 x Behringer P-16M personal mixers
- Thomann 50m CAT5e cable on a drum

Now all I have to do is talk myself out of buying a Behringer line array! Help!!!


Kind regards, Andrew.
Carillon Video - Professional Wedding Videographer & Wedding Video Production Services in Bolton, Manchester & all over the UK
Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!
 
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Andrew Prince said:
Christian!

Now all I have to do is talk myself out of buying a Behringer line array! Help!!!


Kind regards, Andrew.
Carillon Video - Professional Wedding Videographer & Wedding Video Production Services in Bolton, Manchester & all over the UK
Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!
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>>>IF<<< Behringer has gotten it right on the X32, it does not automatically mean that every other product they make is a winner. Each product should stand or fall on it's own individual merits.
A first hand audition of the new speaker system (when available) should settle the issue for you. One way or the other.
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
What I see in all of this is a way to replace thinking and working humans.

I got into audio because I liked the human contributions that artistic technicians brought to musicians. Why are we cutting out people?
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It's a conspiracy to oppress the workers of the world.... :-(
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If that much thinking is involved humans can't be easily replaced.

Computers are good (better than humans) at making trivial mundane decisions. Higher level decisions that require creative solutions will remain the province of the meat computers (while they might phone it in from Bangalore).

JR
 
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Andrew Prince said:
Christian!

It seems to me that Behringer owes you big time for all your helpful posts. Thank you very much for your information. :)

My shopping list is complete:

- Behringer X32 digital console
- Behringer P-16D Distributor
- 4 x Behringer P-16M personal mixers
- Thomann 50m CAT5e cable on a drum

Now all I have to do is talk myself out of buying a Behringer line array! Help!!!


Kind regards, Andrew.
Carillon Video - Professional Wedding Videographer & Wedding Video Production Services in Bolton, Manchester & all over the UK
Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!
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You're welcome:)

My personal shopping list gets bigger every month. When I first got the board it had mixed feelings and some of the common Behringer bashing stuff in mind. But I liked the X32 evermore with any job I did. First I was very careful with it, but it worked just like it should. The last gigs I did everything, to provoke some error or fails...but this damn thing is just rock solid. That's one main reason, why I want one for myself. But beeing an old fart, I will go with the S-16 stageboxes.

Concerning the P-16 stuff. This is not for replacing a monitordesk and a monitormixer, but it is step ahead than doing monitor sound from foh, which is always quite static. With the P-16, every musician can grab and tweak his own mix during the performance. That's impossible from FoH, or least quite a kludge. If you want to connect highly powered floors wedges to it, you better go with a separte monitor desk (feedback danger). But I would have no problems to feed low level (SPLwise) wegdes with it, but the main aim is to use it with InEar systems. And if you do a lot shows with recurring bands or artists, the P-16 is a nice opportunity to a separat monitor desk, when this is budgetwise not happening. I'm aware, that the P-16 stuff is not for every artist. There are alway some "technique deniers" as there are musicians, with a little background in doing sound. These people would rather go with a P-16M than with an static monitormix from FoH. Good thing is, you can even merge different monitor mixing styles. Some musicians get there monitormix from the X32 desk over a mixbus send, others can use the P-16. I will start with one P-16D hub and four P-16M too. If there is more demand from my customers, I will buy more.

BTW: I do some studio work as well and doing cue mixes with the P-16 should be fun too. Just finished a demo recording that I did with the X32, you can definitly use the X32 in a studio enviroment too.
Christian
 
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Christian Boche said:
When I first got the board it had mixed feelings and some of the common Behringer bashing stuff in mind.
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It's easy to do that with Behringer, but looking at some other posts from Uli and his team, he seems to have the right idea. I really hope that Behringer can improve their products like they say in their posts because that's good for the entire industry. It's fine to sell budget digital consoles at £5K a pop, but most working bands cannot afford that. The X32 really does bridge that market, providing they pull it off.

But beeing an old fart, I will go with the S-16 stageboxes.
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You mean by this, you don't want to continue carrying a big copper multicore around? :)

Concerning the P-16 stuff. This is not for replacing a monitordesk and a monitormixer, but it is step ahead than doing monitor sound from foh, which is always quite static.
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Agreed. For me it's more about running a digital setup that's easy to configure and wire up, cutting setup times for the band. Also, they get control over their own mix which could be very interesting with a band as complex as Genesis.

But I would have no problems to feed low level (SPLwise) wegdes with it, but the main aim is to use it with InEar systems.
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That's exactly what I will be using it for - IEM. The band didn't use any backline originally and they had a Roland TD20 kit, so sound levels on stage weren't a problem. They switched to an accoustic drummer and a real bass player, but even then the only backline they use is a bass cab. They've always used IEM systems for foldback, even if they're just cheap headsets.

Good thing is, you can even merge different monitor mixing styles. Some musicians get there monitormix from the X32 desk over a mixbus send, others can use the P-16. I will start with one P-16D hub and four P-16M too.
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Actually, I'll start with zero P16M mixers and run foldback from mix busses or auxes. Then when want more complex monitor mixes, I'll suggest they each go and buy themselves a P-16M. Some will. Others won't. :)

BTW: I do some studio work as well and doing cue mixes with the P-16 should be fun too.
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One of the real bonus selling points of the X32 for me is the ability to record 32 tracks into a DAW. That way I can make good quality recordings of the band for them and more importantly, I can get full control over the audio for use with my video cameras. Getting good audio is the hard part of making a video in a show environment. I have quality cameras but it's impossible to get those multitrack recordings easily, without spending thousands of pounds on MOTU interfaces are similar.

Incidently, you can see plenty of video of the band on the website I created for them here: Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!

Most of the videos are not password protected so they give you a good idea of my reason for looking closely at the X32. :)

Once again Christian, thanks very much for your contribution to all things X32! :)


Kind regards, Andrew.
Carillon Video - Professional Wedding Videographer & Wedding Video Production Services in Bolton, Manchester & all over the UK
Mama - The UKs 'all era' Genesis tribute band!
 
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I have a StudioLive 24.4.2 and a 16.0.2 I really like using them. If I were to upgrade, I think I'd look to the A&H GLD. I just can't get over the behringer name...
 
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Rob Gow said:
I have a StudioLive 24.4.2 and a 16.0.2 I really like using them. If I were to upgrade, I think I'd look to the A&H GLD. I just can't get over the behringer name...
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I have used the 24.4.2 extensively over the past few months. I will soon have an X32....I will let you know. I am an A+H fan, would like a GLD, but at 5x the price it ain't gonna happen here.
 
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I have a question.

Does the x32 implement any sort of permissions or lockout function? We are considering for a Church, and it would be great to just enable, for example, the CD player, a few microphones, line them up along one side, and make the other buttons, faders, pots, etc. non-functional for this application, until a passcode or something is entered. This way, minimally trained volunteers could start/stop music, turn microphones up/down, but could not mess with gain, mute groups, limiting, input/output assignments, some of the more "scary" options.

I know that you can recover from anything using the scenes, but the ability to turn the mixer into a simple 4-track mixer (or whatever is needed) would be useful, at least to us.

Thanks!
 
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Gayle Snedecor said:
I have a question.

Does the x32 implement any sort of permissions or lockout function? We are considering for a Church, and it would be great to just enable, for example, the CD player, a few microphones, line them up along one side, and make the other buttons, faders, pots, etc. non-functional for this application, until a passcode or something is entered. This way, minimally trained volunteers could start/stop music, turn microphones up/down, but could not mess with gain, mute groups, limiting, input/output assignments, some of the more "scary" options.

I know that you can recover from anything using the scenes, but the ability to turn the mixer into a simple 4-track mixer (or whatever is needed) would be useful, at least to us.

Thanks!
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Not really, but there is a total console lockout funktion. Once activated, the screen goes black and you can't manipulate the console anymore. But sound still goes through the desk. When pushing the Home button for five seconds, the lockout is deactivated.
Normally I use this function to fake a console fail...works every time:)
"Look..your desk is frozen, but it still plays sound..guess you have to a reboot"...
"well...hm..NO, you're punked":)

Christian
 
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I have a question in regards to the LCD screen, is there a VGA output to connect a flatscreen/external monitor on it ?
 
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Hi christian, thanks for all you informations !

Do you think it's possible to work with two X32, one on stage for all the inputs and monitoring and one on FOH for the mix?
 
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Baudouin Le Clercq said:
Hi christian, thanks for all you informations !

Do you think it's possible to work with two X32, one on stage for all the inputs and monitoring and one on FOH for the mix?
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You are welcome:)
Sure, it is possible. Just connect all inputs to the monitor console on stage and hook up the FOH desk via AES50 and one CAT5 cable. The FoH desk gets all the inputs via AES50 form the X32 monitor desk. Sure, you have to share the gain. The FOH desk has only a digital trim for each channel, when working as slave desk. And you have to decise, how do you get your Main sends back to stage. You could use a small analog return core, or you can send back up to four lines via AES50. The downside is, that this will eat up 4 of the 16 mixbus outs of your monitor desk. The most professional solution would be to use a analog splitter like four of this-->

the t.racks Eight - Thomann UK Cyberstore

Patch your mikes in this unit and use one splitt out to connect the mikes to your S-16 digital stagebox going to Foh, and the second splitt you can patch directly in the local XLR inputs of the X32 monitor desk. No need for gain sharing at all.
Christian

BTW: Just was told, that the "annoying" DCA/SendsOnFader problem (I montioned some posts back) is just a user fault. Once in "sends on fader" there is no need to push the SoF-Button again. Just push the DCA button directly to exit the SoF-Mode. I was just plain stupid, never tried that, but it works and it speeds up the workflow.
Christian
 
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I am a little confused about DAW integration. In this thread it seems Cubase can only be controlled from DCA Groups via remote button. It further states that input channels when fed from USB/Firewire card only act like "an analogue console". I note from other forums and youtube videos people are refering to the remote button on input channels as being able to control DAW. Without full documentation I am trying to decide if this is the right mixer for me 80% studio / 20% Live work. Would like to understand how mxier is utilised during tracking vs mixing etc. how this impacts use of onboard effects, how automation is acheived etc. in short a review from the studio usage prespective.
 
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