Avid S3L

Re: Avid S3L

I'll take your word for it but I don't understand. I would have thought that the heavy lifting would be done on the card - phantom, mic pre and AD converter - so just passes out a digital signal to join the rest.

uhhh.. like the line level IO box that Greg mentioned.

Surely it would have to be that way - because as you've written, you can rip the analogue cards out and put them in a rack with no other brains than an ethernet card.

This sounds like some kind of purposeful limitation. I also find it amusing that you can't mount the outputs and all 48 inputs in the one remote rack.... necessitating a second rack if you want to be fully remote. More $$.

But hey.. if that's the way it is.

I've got no beef with Avid; I teach students with a profile and protools in a lab... all good gear.

And yeah David.. one more for TB !

Hi Andrew-

I think AVID knew that it wouldn't take long for MixRack owners to figure out that the same package of gear would work for them, too. The SC48 is fundamentally a MixRack stuffed into the control surface, so what works for the SC48 *should* work with a MixRack. Folks that don't need more than 48x24 have no i/o reason to purchase a FOH/Stage Rack combo. If I were in their position, I'd try to recover some of the profits lost when this upgrade cannibalized sales of the up-market products. I also guess that they weighed the 18 month exposure of the Remote Rack prior to introducing the S3L and its new architecture & packaging.

It will be interesting to see S#L or S3x model line as it's released.
 
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So has anyone had any extensive play time with an S3L yet?

Its an interesting product for me. I'm a long time venue user, and the S3L would give me the opportunity to carry my own console on shows when I otherwise wouldn't be able to (fly dates, festivals with non-headliners, etc...) which is pretty valuable...
 
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I think you guys are missing the target market.

This, in my mind, isn't designed to compete with the Pro2c.... thats what the SC48 is for.

This seems to be for independent engineers and studios, van touring engineers, corporate shows, smaller sound companies etc who need something that takes up very little van space but can be expanded to a larger "real" system in the future.
I can see some of those being target markets, but for some I'd be concerned about how 'walk up' friendly it may be. The S3L appears to be an evolution in the concept of a user interface that can be customized to individual users and applications and that can be advantageous for the individual defining how the user interface works. However, that also seems to potentially create some challenges in situations where it may be used by multiple different users and/or for multiple different applications.
 
Re: Avid S3L

So has anyone had any extensive play time with an S3L yet?

Its an interesting product for me. I'm a long time venue user, and the S3L would give me the opportunity to carry my own console on shows when I otherwise wouldn't be able to (fly dates, festivals with non-headliners, etc...) which is pretty valuable...

I'll have hands on with the S3L for most of the ndxg week at a series of single band peer night jazz concerts.

I'll let you know what I think right after I've told the folks at AVID what I like and what I think can be improved over the "Beta +" version of the software I'm working with.
 
Re: Avid S3L

Looks like they just launched a new desk. Let the games begin.

Avid | Avid S3L System


Looks like they just launched a new desk. Let the games begin.

Avid | Avid S3L System

Hi guys.

I attended a AVID S3L seminar a few weeks back and thought I'd share some of my observations:


What I liked:

-Compact surface that doesn't feel "cheap".

-First mixer I have used where the designers "thought outside the box" in terms of not just simulatig analog mixing, but instead focusing on the end goal of some of the tasks associated with operating a sound mixer.

-Separate surface and "brain".

-The stage boxes are a lot more compact than what the advertizements online give the impression of.

-Cross-compatibility with show files from other AVID products (with some obvious limitations, like a few mixbuses or VCAs might dissappear when loading a "bigger show" into the S3L).

-All LED's and minature displays on the surface very visible in bright ambient light.

-Delay compensation.

-Channels can be fed directly into matrices, and due to the delay compensation, you can "put extra lead vocal" in a front fill already being fed with vocals through a main mix stem.

-Ability to run plug-ins.

-You have two options for sending channels to monitors: Either "normal" sends on faders, or you can choose one channel, and quickly send that one channel to many AUX buses. No "flipping" needed to acheive "just give us the keys in all wedges, please".

-You could conceivably fly with an entire mixing system within normal luggage requirements.

-You can trigger multiple playback cues from a USB stick onto separate faders and set up "fader starts" so that you can have a bunch of tracks or sound effects all associated with their own fader, and when you pull that fader up, the playback of the track assigned to that particular fader starts.

-Big plus for having as large a screen as you want (just connect any VGA-equipped monitor, including touch if you want).



What I didn't like:

-Not enough connections on the surface. I know there is more on the "brain" but I would rather have the brain on stage, than at FOH. Now you pretty much need to have the "brain" at FOH to have access to enough audio and USB connections for my liking.

-Writing/labelling on the buttons is very small, and I had issues reading them while sitting down in front of, and not standing over, the desk.

-A lot of menus, and most encoders and displays have many, many functions.

-The arrow keys are not arranged like the arrow keys on let's say a PC, they are in a "square layout" instead of the usual "upside down T", making me unsure
of what is up/down, and what is left/right.

-AVID is hinting that this system will be "future-compatible", but with what, and when?

-The "channel to matrix"-routing seems to only be pre-fader, not matching my needs when faced with the "put extra lead vocal in the front fill"-scenario above.

-There are programmable touch-sensitive "strips" at the bottom right corner of the desk. These can be programmed to have many useful functions and they only need a soft swipe to activate. Problem is, I kept brushing my hand against them inadvertantly.

-Only one "fader-started playback track" can be running at one time. Start a new one, and the last one mutes. So "layering" or "cross fading" sound effects is out.


If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I probably wasn't able to jot down all my opinions free-hand.
 
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I don't see any scribble strips, maybe I'm missing them.
A board with layers and no scribble strips seems to redirect your eyes from button to screen and back.
I have the same beef with the X32-Producer.
Am I the only one who sees this as a problem?

Addendum: never mind, I found them. Tiny little buggers.
 
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