Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Read this
http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=18340
Read this
http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=18340
Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
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Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
They've only been out since earlier this year, and they're a high end pro product. The time I've spent on one impressed me, and of course I've got hundreds of hours behind a Spectra, ProRack House, and ProDesk 4. Modern, top quality analog with a lot of attention to detail and ease of use.
There are some dimensions here: http://www.apb-dynasonics.com/downloads/ProDesk8/ProDesk8-Lit-060510.pdf
No weights, though. I'll ask Chuck.
They've only been out since earlier this year, and they're a high end pro product. The time I've spent on one impressed me, and of course I've got hundreds of hours behind a Spectra, ProRack House, and ProDesk 4. Modern, top quality analog with a lot of attention to detail and ease of use.
There are some dimensions here: http://www.apb-dynasonics.com/downloads/ProDesk8/ProDesk8-Lit-060510.pdf
No weights, though. I'll ask Chuck.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Thanks Bennett, I did read this also
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/17251/0/
Thanks Bennett, I did read this also
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/17251/0/
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Yep, I thought that was a pretty decent desk, although it is in a different class than the Verona and the APB. VCAs are nice but VCA desks are expensive, and usually large. Also, you have to remember that 2006 with a long, long time ago from my perspective, and I haven't used an MH2 since.
P.S. I had a small hand in the feature set design of the ProDesk series, although mostly the 8 is an expansion of my comments on the 4, so I am somewhat biased. However, I think it is hard to say bad things about APB desks, especially their ProDesk and ProRack series.
Yep, I thought that was a pretty decent desk, although it is in a different class than the Verona and the APB. VCAs are nice but VCA desks are expensive, and usually large. Also, you have to remember that 2006 with a long, long time ago from my perspective, and I haven't used an MH2 since.
P.S. I had a small hand in the feature set design of the ProDesk series, although mostly the 8 is an expansion of my comments on the 4, so I am somewhat biased. However, I think it is hard to say bad things about APB desks, especially their ProDesk and ProRack series.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
I own a ProDesk 824 and love it. What can you say about APB that hasn't already been said? You should look very carefully at this desk. If it will fit your budget, you would be very hard pressed to find an analog desk anywhere near it's price that is it's equal.
I own a ProDesk 824 and love it. What can you say about APB that hasn't already been said? You should look very carefully at this desk. If it will fit your budget, you would be very hard pressed to find an analog desk anywhere near it's price that is it's equal.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
The green faders on the verona indicate stereo channels - so not a dedicated stereo return like on really old consoles but most people prefer to use channel strips on return. Only 4 stereo strips needed/4 faders.
Andrew
The green faders on the verona indicate stereo channels - so not a dedicated stereo return like on really old consoles but most people prefer to use channel strips on return. Only 4 stereo strips needed/4 faders.
Andrew
I changed over to an LS9-32 two years ago and as been said, lots of features. It made it possible for me to do gigs I could not have done with my analog rig ( like weddings where they won't let you put anything out where it can be seen ).
Oh, and leaving behind the racks of outboard is a big plus along with scene recall for bands or venues you do a lot.
Oh, and leaving behind the racks of outboard is a big plus along with scene recall for bands or venues you do a lot.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
When I look at the input of the multi function channel, green, it only has 1 mic in and 1 1/4'' in.
When I look at the input of the multi function channel, green, it only has 1 mic in and 1 1/4'' in.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
A few months ago, the local GC sold a Verona 40 for less than 1/3 of what you're thinking of paying for that one. I'd go with a clean used LS9 if you can justify an expenditure of $5k or more.
A few months ago, the local GC sold a Verona 40 for less than 1/3 of what you're thinking of paying for that one. I'd go with a clean used LS9 if you can justify an expenditure of $5k or more.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
If you have a whole pile of outboard, and you want to stay analog, you're really in the driver's seat for used consoles. They're selling for next to nothing. As Kristian opined, the variable HPF is perhaps the one feature that will distinguish two consoles at this level. I find I make extensive use of it (on my digital consoles) and often need very little channel EQ besides that. Personally, I'm done with huge analog consoles and racks of outboard gear. I replaced a Crest GT 32 (designed by the APB guys, albeit almost 20 years ago) with an LS9-32 two years ago, and haven't looked back. GTD
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
I'm staying with analog, the extra rack of outboard gear doesn't bother me, plugging in 16 inserts, and some aux sends and returns is no big deal to me. I still have to set up 4 double 18's the 4733's, snake, power mics,, so on and so one, whats 1 more rack. Plus I rather have my D two, M 3000, M one xl, and rev 500 for effects, so thats still coming along anyways.
I'm staying with analog, the extra rack of outboard gear doesn't bother me, plugging in 16 inserts, and some aux sends and returns is no big deal to me. I still have to set up 4 double 18's the 4733's, snake, power mics,, so on and so one, whats 1 more rack. Plus I rather have my D two, M 3000, M one xl, and rev 500 for effects, so thats still coming along anyways.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Are you referring to me and the verona on ebay that is asking for $6500? So your saying another verona went fo $2k? Or did I miss something?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110792457477?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Are you referring to me and the verona on ebay that is asking for $6500? So your saying another verona went fo $2k? Or did I miss something?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110792457477?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
I know of many consoles that have two xlr inputs for stereo channels, but there are also a lot which only have jacks fcr stereo. The verona is in this category. The manual covers this issue fine but the screen printing on the console is not clear. Line in is one of the inputs; the jack labelled "direct out" is the other. There is no direct out available on the stereo channels.
Another two things I dislike about the verona is the location of the headphone socket; everytime I lay tape on the console I need to do this funky thing at the socket rather than carry on. The last issue is how the monitor outputs work. There is a pot for headphone volume and also for PFL/Solo. And when using headphones the PFL/Solo pot affects the level going to headphones for both PFL and Solo.
If however you're using the XLR outputs on the back of the console eg monitor wedge, then the PFL/Solo pot does control the level when in solo mode, but has NO AFFECT in PFL mode. So if you've got a cranking hot signal on a channel and you PFL, BAM ! Out the cue wedge it comes. I contacted Midas about this and they did give a reason for it; and suggested a work-around using the insert on the mono buss (if that's not being used) and use the mono fader as the volume control, ie, monitor out > insert on mono > mono out > cue wedge
Whilst i'm happy enough with the verona, I've also used a series II and liked that - VCA's are a big plus. And as others have said, LS9-32 packs so much in that an analog board can't do.
Andrew
I know of many consoles that have two xlr inputs for stereo channels, but there are also a lot which only have jacks fcr stereo. The verona is in this category. The manual covers this issue fine but the screen printing on the console is not clear. Line in is one of the inputs; the jack labelled "direct out" is the other. There is no direct out available on the stereo channels.
Another two things I dislike about the verona is the location of the headphone socket; everytime I lay tape on the console I need to do this funky thing at the socket rather than carry on. The last issue is how the monitor outputs work. There is a pot for headphone volume and also for PFL/Solo. And when using headphones the PFL/Solo pot affects the level going to headphones for both PFL and Solo.
If however you're using the XLR outputs on the back of the console eg monitor wedge, then the PFL/Solo pot does control the level when in solo mode, but has NO AFFECT in PFL mode. So if you've got a cranking hot signal on a channel and you PFL, BAM ! Out the cue wedge it comes. I contacted Midas about this and they did give a reason for it; and suggested a work-around using the insert on the mono buss (if that's not being used) and use the mono fader as the volume control, ie, monitor out > insert on mono > mono out > cue wedge
Whilst i'm happy enough with the verona, I've also used a series II and liked that - VCA's are a big plus. And as others have said, LS9-32 packs so much in that an analog board can't do.
Andrew
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
I went back and read the manual on the mono input and multifunction channel. I see what you mean now, Mono channel description says 1 line in 1 line out. Multi function says 2 line ins on the 1/4 jacks, but the back is labeled line in and line out.
Thanks for clearing this up.
I went back and read the manual on the mono input and multifunction channel. I see what you mean now, Mono channel description says 1 line in 1 line out. Multi function says 2 line ins on the 1/4 jacks, but the back is labeled line in and line out.
Thanks for clearing this up.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Looks like veronas can be had cheap new, if its a stock, I just found this.
http://salestores.com/mivev40fr40m1.html
Looks like veronas can be had cheap new, if its a stock, I just found this.
http://salestores.com/mivev40fr40m1.html
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Alan -
Did you look at the APB ProDesk8? List price for a 40 mic/4 stereo ch count is $9900. This should put the street price at or below the Verona. A better desk on all accounts I believe.
Alan -
Did you look at the APB ProDesk8? List price for a 40 mic/4 stereo ch count is $9900. This should put the street price at or below the Verona. A better desk on all accounts I believe.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Yep I looked at prices, all I need is a 32 at the most, if I buy new I would go with the pro desk 8. Just looking around at what things are going for. I would get a used desk if its like 5 years old or newer, I just dont want 10 + year old.
I'm trying to find a online manual for the prodesk 8, but I cant, it won't open on apb's site.
Pro desk 8 questions?,, I know its probably a stupid question, but do they have inserts on the main out and on the subgroups? Also whats the weight of the 32 pro desk 8, I found dimensions.
Funny, the 40 channel midas on ebay just dropped to $5500 from $6500 buy it now.
Yep I looked at prices, all I need is a 32 at the most, if I buy new I would go with the pro desk 8. Just looking around at what things are going for. I would get a used desk if its like 5 years old or newer, I just dont want 10 + year old.
I'm trying to find a online manual for the prodesk 8, but I cant, it won't open on apb's site.
Pro desk 8 questions?,, I know its probably a stupid question, but do they have inserts on the main out and on the subgroups? Also whats the weight of the 32 pro desk 8, I found dimensions.
Funny, the 40 channel midas on ebay just dropped to $5500 from $6500 buy it now.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
More questions?
Where do you send a Midas, soundcraft for repair in the Usa, I'm located in Buffalo NY area. apb I see is right around the corner from me.
More questions?
Where do you send a Midas, soundcraft for repair in the Usa, I'm located in Buffalo NY area. apb I see is right around the corner from me.
Re: Desk question, Midas verona vs. Soundcraft series two
Creation audio labs:
http://www.creationaudiolabs.com/proaudio
Creation audio labs:
http://www.creationaudiolabs.com/proaudio