F*** off, this is a soundcheck not a bleedin' rehearsal!

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I'm not getting paid to do it.......free equipment and labour......

I think isolating the above comments sheds a lot of light on things. I am certainly willing to take measures to keep costs as low as possible (or preferably donate back a portion of the fee) for causes I support, but doing everything for free is just asking for hassles and headaches. It sounds like a frustrating situation, but it's not unexpected given the circumstances - organizations that at least have some level of funding structure are usually forced to be more organized than ones based entirely on freebies. Expect more of the same if you continue working at this level.
 
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I think isolating the above comments sheds a lot of light on things. I am certainly willing to take measures to keep costs as low as possible (or preferably donate back a portion of the fee) for causes I support, but doing everything for free is just asking for hassles and headaches. It sounds like a frustrating situation, but it's not unexpected given the circumstances - organizations that at least have some level of funding structure are usually forced to be more organized than ones based entirely on freebies. Expect more of the same if you continue working at this level.
My "business model" certainly puts me in a position where I'm not exactly surrounded by pros, and I totally accept that, not the least because my own lack of practical experience for the last thirty years definitely puts me firmly out of the pro category as a tech and foh guy. I only got back into the sound business to provide for my wifes's needs, and will occasionally provide my services for events that wouldn't happen if a pro service would have to be paid for. For the paid stuff, there is a local sound company that provides at a very high standard (d&b and what have you). If the sound company asks me to step in or provide some equipment, I'll do that.
While I definitely get the "respect comes with the money you charge" aspect of things, the understanding of the sound provider's needs does not.
There is this event in Norway called UKM (Youth Culture Rally) with local events feeding into regional events feeding into a national event, and particularly at the regional event I hear a lot of moaning and grumbling because the FOH guy stopped his sound check half way thru' the song etc., and you bacically have hordes of amateur performers, music teachers, youth club leaders etc. walking around with a bad feeling and a grudge towards the "arrogant" sound guy. Some leaders and music teachers of course have this understanding based on their own experience as performing artists, but even then they don't always pass that experience on to their pupils as part of their training. Set up and sound checking should be an integral part of the training, just like tuning you instrument (some don't even learn to do that).
When you're working with a crew, or having a musician you know helping out with tuning the monitors and getting the basics right it is of course a lot easier, because then you know that everything is in order when the next artist steps up.
I have experienced professional performers telling me after an event that the sound on stage was terrible, even though they had been thru' a sound check and everything and never uttered a word.
I see performers trying to speak to the foh at sound check, avoiding the microphone as a means of communication.
I see drummers hitting the snare in sync with the kick when soundchecking the kick, making the poor soul trying to eq the kick wonder how the f... the snare is ringing that loudly in the kick mike.
I see guitar players not turning up to performance level because they don't feel they need to at sound check.
I see singers and actors saving their voice for the performance when setting the gain on the wireless transmitters.
It's a wonderful world (at foh and monitorland)

While you may have some control over what you volunteer for, you will probably have less control over what your wife volunteers you for.

Luckily, she is very selfish and don't like to voulunteer me for anything that keeps me from doing gardening and other important tasks ;)~;-)~:wink:
 
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I have experienced professional performers telling me after an event that the sound on stage was terrible, even though they had been thru' a sound check and everything and never uttered a word.

You can indeed run into situations like this, but they are often avoided with a bit of pre-emptive communication.

I will frequently seek to take a bit of control over the soundcheck process - first stating what our goal is - a basic rally the troops "we want this event to be a great experience for you, we are all a team, etc etc", how we are going to get there (by following my instructions), and then confirming every step of the way. There will always be certain people who are impossible to communicate with, but 9 times out of 10 it is really a simple solution: LEADERSHIP NEEDED. If it isn't already there, make it your responsibility, and you'll see improved results.
 
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You can indeed run into situations like this, but they are often avoided with a bit of pre-emptive communication.

I will frequently seek to take a bit of control over the soundcheck process - first stating what our goal is - a basic rally the troops "we want this event to be a great experience for you, we are all a team, etc etc", how we are going to get there (by following my instructions), and then confirming every step of the way. There will always be certain people who are impossible to communicate with, but 9 times out of 10 it is really a simple solution: LEADERSHIP NEEDED. If it isn't already there, make it your responsibility, and you'll see improved results.

Agreed. Good sound doesn't happen by accident; it happens when a professional works with the people and equipment aspects of the show to make it good.
 
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Per, can we get a screenshot of the EQ on the vocalist in your video? I want to see something...

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This is the basic eq I used for her, but on that video, the sound came off the console post eq and there was a lot of master eq to compensate for a rather odd tuning of the mains. (EV line array with processor locked away). I reversed the master EQ settings and reprocessed the take, and on the version I believe she posted, there is some extra compression as well (too much dynamic in her voice for MP3 ;)~;-)~:wink: )
The scratchyness you hear I believe is due to the mic being dropped just before her performance (AKG elleC condenser), haven't yet tried the mike to confirm.
As for the actual quality of the sound, I refer you to my signature quote :blush:
 
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Agreed. Good sound doesn't happen by accident; it happens when a professional works with the people and equipment aspects of the show to make it good.
I was once doing sound for a talk/music tv-show for a satellite channel (approx 20 milion viewers) and since we were going to record 25 shows in less than three weeks including setup everything needed to be setup 'perfect' before recording.

We were having a so called 'professional' band as the house band. They were supposed to be nine members joining for the occation.

After waiting for the keyboadist for three hours (and no one had his number!) I had to start the soundcheck. After doing soundcheck for almost three(!) hours I gave up and yelled at them in rage... They were so unprofessional! The day after the keyboardist showed up with no excuse and I had maxed out of channels on my snake so I had to re-patch.

When we were about to start shooting a couple of hours later I noticed that the keyboard wasn't on stage anymore. Asking the 'band' they said he'd gone and didn't know if/when he was coming back. No one told told the production crew. He never came back!

Whithout saying anything they could show up with replacment instruments like having an e.bass one day and showing up with a double bass or substituting a saxophone with some clarinette, even when being instructed not to do so by the production management.

They hadn't even rehearsed the songs prior to the recording so it was a complete chaos. The visiting national/international artists wasn't impressed with the band either :-((

I get some wierd feeling in my stomache everytime I think of this project.
 
Re: F*** off, this is a soundcheck not a bleedin' rehearsal!

You can indeed run into situations like this, but they are often avoided with a bit of pre-emptive communication.

I will frequently seek to take a bit of control over the soundcheck process - first stating what our goal is - a basic rally the troops "we want this event to be a great experience for you, we are all a team, etc etc", how we are going to get there (by following my instructions), and then confirming every step of the way. There will always be certain people who are impossible to communicate with, but 9 times out of 10 it is really a simple solution: LEADERSHIP NEEDED. If it isn't already there, make it your responsibility, and you'll see improved results.

Good advice. However, when I'm doing sound, I don't see how it ever could not be my responsibility.
In general, in work situations, I tend to take control too often when I'm not happy with the way things are going and step on toes in the process. My subtle leadership skills are lacking in so many ways that I'm really only suited for leadership in emergency situations where the crap has already hit the fan, the crew is up the creek and a bad situation is apparent to everyone involved.
I guess I'll just have to try harder to to be well organized, well prepared and be a better communicator.

Agreed. Good sound doesn't happen by accident; it happens when a professional works with the people and equipment aspects of the show to make it good.
In that case I might just as well give up, because I'm definitely no pro :razz:
 
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So there was this Hindu Convention I was working for one time. There was only one (major) problem- there was no organization. So yeah. Sorry for ya, bud. But it happens. Break a leg and best of luck next time!
 
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Thanks Per.. I didn't see what I was looking for.. must have been in the mastering EQ

Oh yeah, in that case it is a trade secret that I can not reveal, not even to myself ;)~;-)~:wink:

What you hear is probably the microphone.
 
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In a situation like this, perhaps this is the best advice:Serenity Prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can say that since I've discovered that prayer (and the group that regularly uses it), that I can handle those troublesome gigs with so much more ease. I used to be such a hot-head when confronted with those types of productions. (Could be called growing-up too I guess, I think contemplating serenity just makes that happen faster)
Now I just overstaff with equally capable sound crew to share the load instead of thinking I am the only one capable of accomplishing the event
 
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Out of pure curiosity, what are you looking for exactly?

It was the crispness at the top, those mikes (AKG LC) are quite top-heavy when using the internal cap, so there is no need to add anything to get it crisp, more a case of notching out the bits that get too harsh.
 
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Now I just overstaff with equally capable sound crew to share the load instead of thinking I am the only one capable of accomplishing the event

Wish I could, unfortunately I have to do it all on my own, so being over-extended, exhausted and stressed is the basic concept I have to live with.
My biggest problem during sound check is that after 35 years out of the game, even "riding a bike" can be a wobbly affair, and I sometimes need that extra minute of uninterrupted concentration to get it to sound right.
Did a concert on monday, the time on the console wasn't adjusted to daylight saving time, so I just couldn't understand why the boss was hurrying things along when I obviously was ahead of schedule with the sound check :blush:
Then of course, come the concert, do you think the soloists managed to grab the mike they had soundchecked???
Nobody in the audience complained, I guess that fits my definition of blinding success 8)~8-)~:cool: