X32 Discussion

re: X32 Discussion

So the channel delay will affect the channel but not it's send to the group? Can you set where the channel delay is or is it in a prefader position already? Wish there was a manual available.
 
re: X32 Discussion

So the channel delay will affect the channel but not it's send to the group? Can you set where the channel delay is or is it in a prefader position already? Wish there was a manual available.

Hi John,

I just checked it out. The delay is placed right after the headamp (in prefade), but you are right with the group send. Seems, that it is not possible to route the channel signal without channel dealy to a group. So skip the idea of latency compensation with the channel dealy, it seems not to work. Maybe I overlook something here, but it is clumsy anyway. So you have to go with two subgroups and insert the same FX twice, this keeps the signals coherent. Sorry for my misinterpretation.
Christian
 
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Thank you Dave, I'm just filling the gap to the time when the X32 will be available:)
Concerning the "32track back up option", if I understand you correctly, you would like to see a possebilitiy to have two independent ways of sending your recording signals to two recording units (two daws or one daw and one harddiskrecorder) simultaniously, right? Well, if you use the X32 together with the S-16 digital stageboxes you can do that! You can hook up one daw on the console itself, using the USB or FiWi out of the recording card. In addition, you can hook up a second daw or a harddisk recorder f.e. like the Alesis HD24 or a Fostex 2424 to the ADAT outs of the S-16 stageboxes as a backup system. This should do the trick. Unfortunatelly you can't use the usb AND the firewire out on the X32 simultaniously. You have to activate either usb or firewire in the X32. But this goes for every audio application that uses ASIO audio drivers.
Christian

Christian, you understand me completely but the S-16 stageboxes option is "only" an option when NOT using the X32 as a FOH Mixer right as well as a 32trk recorder right?
 
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Christian, you understand me completely but the S-16 stageboxes option is "only" an option when NOT using the X32 as a FOH Mixer right as well as a 32trk recorder right?

This should work. You mix on the X32, the Firewire output grabs all incomming signals and sends them prefader to your recording device. The ADAT outs on the S-16 mirrors the input signals. The only thing you have to take care for, is not to change the micpre gain during a song, otherwise the recording level changes with the preamp gain level.
Christian
 
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Hi Christian,

When the unit boots up, does it load a default scene or does it load whatever scene was last used?
When loading scenes, does it load all system settings or just "mix" settings?
Are there "user profiles"?
Any word on when the PC editor will be available?

Thanks,
Jared

*edit* Also looking for Dimensions of the X32
 
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Hi,
is there a way to delay the headphone output of the X32?
Thanks
Joachim

Correct! It is full duplex 32in&out, and the recording card has Firewire AND Usb.
Christian

Sorry for the late reply.
Thanks, that's good to hear.
Am i right to assume that there is a way to turn this delay 'on' (normal use) / 'off' (for precise cues, delay FX etc.) with one of the user defined keys ?

As far as latency is concerned:
Is there an easy way to obtain the precise latency of e.g. a parallel effect ?
Does the latency of a send signal depend on the point of the signal chain that it's been sent from ?
(post gain lateny < post eq latency < post dynamics latency etc. ?)

[... snip ...] The only thing you have to take care for, is not to change the micpre gain during a song, otherwise the recording level changes with the preamp gain level.
Christian

That would be true equally for the FiWi- and the ADAT-way of recording as they both are post gain ?
This leads to an interesting question:
Is it possible to record a MIDI representation of the gain knobs along with the audio ?
This would open an easy way to even out 'messing with the gain' problems by simply applying an inverted curve in the DAW (if neccessary).

And another thing i couldn't find any information yet:
What about the channel separation in the analog section ?
(worst case: e.g. a percussion mic that needs lots of gain on ch.31 and a SMPTE signal on ch.32/AUXin.n ...)

Joachim
 
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Hi Christian,

When the unit boots up, does it load a default scene or does it load whatever scene was last used?
When loading scenes, does it load all system settings or just "mix" settings?
Are there "user profiles"?
Any word on when the PC editor will be available?

Thanks,
Jared

*edit* Also looking for Dimensions of the X32

Hi Jared,

Dimensions are 35.4 x 20.8 x 7.9" / 900 x 528 x 200 mm.
The Editor might be available, when the board hits the street in a few weeks. I have a working beta version here, so there is not so much left to do on this.
The X32 boots with the last used scene.
There are no user profiles, but lots of options, what will be loaded, when you select a different scene. Lot's of options for recall safe and lot's of options
for particial loading (like on a DigiCo console). Say you are in festival situation and you don't want to override to MicPre-Settings. You could select to load everything else from a scene, without
changing the micpre settings. Same goes for EQ or Dynamcis and so on. Pretty neat.
Christian
 
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Sorry for the late reply.
Thanks, that's good to hear.
Am i right to assume that there is a way to turn this delay 'on' (normal use) / 'off' (for precise cues, delay FX etc.) with one of the user defined keys ?

As far as latency is concerned:
Is there an easy way to obtain the precise latency of e.g. a parallel effect ?
Does the latency of a send signal depend on the point of the signal chain that it's been sent from ?
(post gain lateny < post eq latency < post dynamics latency etc. ?)



That would be true equally for the FiWi- and the ADAT-way of recording as they both are post gain ?
This leads to an interesting question:
Is it possible to record a MIDI representation of the gain knobs along with the audio ?
This would open an easy way to even out 'messing with the gain' problems by simply applying an inverted curve in the DAW (if neccessary).

And another thing i couldn't find any information yet:
What about the channel separation in the analog section ?
(worst case: e.g. a percussion mic that needs lots of gain on ch.31 and a SMPTE signal on ch.32/AUXin.n ...)

Joachim

Guten Morgen Joachim:)

No, you can't assign the delay for the solo output directly to a UDK, but you can link the "monitor page" (where all the settings for the monitor/solo bus can be selected) to a UDK. On the monitor page you just have to push one of the hardware encoder buttons below the LCD for switching the dealy on or off. Just two touches instead of one. Otherwise the Assign section is really powerfull and way more sophisticated than what we are used to know from other brands.

Is there an easy way to obtain the precise latency of e.g. a parallel effect ?
The board latency changes only, if you insert one or more of the build in eight stereo fx in a channel or subgroup AND if you in addition double route these signals . Say you route your drums to a subgroup AND simultaniously to the main outs. If you now insert one of the insert fx just in the subgroup, than you hear a slight comb filtering. Without double routing, no comb filtering and no need for a latency compensation. If you want to double route, you must be sure, that both origins use the same FX - problem solved. It's a bit difficult for me to describe this in English. Feel free to send me a pm on this, so we can talk in our mother tongue:)

That would be true equally for the FiWi- and the ADAT-way of recording as they both are post gain ?
Of course they are post Micpre gain...without proper gain staging you can't record any signals at all. Maybe I don't got you on this one, but all sane recording solutions need gain staging with micpres.

Is it possible to record a MIDI representation of the gain knobs along with the audio ?
This would open an easy way to even out 'messing with the gain' problems by simply applying an inverted curve in the DAW (if neccessary).

Now it get's nerdy:) Maybe it works, I don't know. There is no in depth user manual by now, at least I would need that to look at the midi implementation. But I don't think that this really necessary. Just set your mic pres right from the first time and your done. When there is a dramatic level change on stage or studio, the recording is screwed anyway. Fist it clipps than you turn the micpre down...but the clipping is already on tape/harddisk.

And another thing i couldn't find any information yet:
What about the channel separation in the analog section ?
(worst case: e.g. a percussion mic that needs lots of gain on ch.31 and a SMPTE signal on ch.32/AUXin.n ...)

Sorry, I'm not sure what are you referring to? Do you mean channel crosstalk? The magazine I write for did some measurements of the X32, you can see them here-->

http://www.behringer.com/assets/X32_Tools_English.pdf

We did not measure channel crosstalk, in digital mixers there is basically no crosstalk. At least there should be no crosstalk, when you are in the digital domain and the overall layout is carefully designd:)
Concerning SNR:
"In the channel and master fader position of 0 dB and a preset gain of 0 dB,the Behringer X32 still achieved a very good signal to noise ratio of -85 dBuA,
resulting in an overall dynamic of 106 dB"
I hope that helps a bit.

Christian
 
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curios to know if the online pre-orders will be getting the batches first? On the facebook page, they mentioned it's going to the stores (brick and mortar).
 
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Guten Morgen Joachim:)

It's a bit difficult for me to describe this in English. Feel free to send me a pm on this, so we can talk in our mother tongue:)

Hi Christian!

I'm not sure why you think your English isn't great because I can tell you it's better than some English people's English! :)

Anyway, if you want to post in German, parallel to your English replies (for the technical bits) then I am sure people won't mind. If there are other German speakers, they could help out with translation. Just don't stop posting in English because you're currently the best source of information regarding the X32, on the internet! :)

Regards, Andrew
www.mama-genesis.co.uk
www.carillonvideo.co.uk
 
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@sam&Andrew: Thank you guys - highly appreciated!!

BTW, just found this on the Behringer Facebook site-->

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It seems, that the X32 is hitting the street soon8)~:cool:~:cool:

BTW2: I just bought two P-16M and a P-16D hub for myself and I'm playing around with them right now. So, if there are any questions about the P-16 stuff, I maybe able to answer them.



For the German/European guys here, I bought them at the Musicstore in Cologne ( MUSIC STORE professional - Home ). Seems, that they are currently out of stock at Thomann.

Christian
 
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Hi everyone,
Really happy to see such a board on the market soon. Here is my first post:
As a daw remote (usb using mackie preset) i would love to control Samplitude Prox. I understood that only the 8 dca can control DAW. Is it correct?
I don't need more so it's ok. Anyway could u confirm that the name display follow automatically? As i jump from a side to another without names i am lost.
Can we assign function like automation touch/latch/trim easily with a button or encoder ?
 
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Hi Gery,
I understood that only the 8 dca can control DAW. Is it correct?
Correct!
Anyway could u confirm that the name display follow automatically?
Confirmed:)
Can we assign function like automation touch/latch/trim easily with a button or encoder ?
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I'm lost on this one:-( Do you mean fader volume rides? You can do them with the DCA faders. In addition you should be able to assign Midi cc orders to the assign buttons, but I haven't tried that by now.
Christian
 
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Thanks for your reply.
Yes i was talking about different rules about volume ride curve. Does auto-touch mode is allowed for example?
When using the desk as a usb controller, does the other faders still working for audio ?
 
re: X32 Discussion

Hi Jared,

Dimensions are 35.4 x 20.8 x 7.9" / 900 x 528 x 200 mm.
The Editor might be available, when the board hits the street in a few weeks. I have a working beta version here, so there is not so much left to do on this.
The X32 boots with the last used scene.
There are no user profiles, but lots of options, what will be loaded, when you select a different scene. Lot's of options for recall safe and lot's of options
for particial loading (like on a DigiCo console). Say you are in festival situation and you don't want to override to MicPre-Settings. You could select to load everything else from a scene, without
changing the micpre settings. Same goes for EQ or Dynamcis and so on. Pretty neat.
Christian

Thanks!
 
re: X32 Discussion

Guten Abend Christian,
Guten Morgen Joachim:)

No, you can't assign the delay for the solo output directly to a UDK, but you can link the "monitor page" (where all the settings for the monitor/solo bus can be selected) to a UDK. On the monitor page you just have to push one of the hardware encoder buttons below the LCD for switching the dealy on or off. Just two touches instead of one. Otherwise the Assign section is really powerfull and way more sophisticated than what we are used to know from other brands.
I think touching two buttons will do fine.


The board latency changes only, if you insert one or more of the build in eight stereo fx in a channel or subgroup AND if you in addition double route these signals . Say you route your drums to a subgroup AND simultaniously to the main outs. If you now insert one of the insert fx just in the subgroup, than you hear a slight comb filtering. Without double routing, no comb filtering and no need for a latency compensation. If you want to double route, you must be sure, that both origins use the same FX - problem solved. It's a bit difficult for me to describe this in English. Feel free to send me a pm on this, so we can talk in our mother tongue:)
There's nothing wrong with your English.
It's good to know that (except the case of the double routing scenario you described) there's no comb filtering.


Now it get's nerdy:) Maybe it works, I don't know. There is no in depth user manual by now, at least I would need that to look at the midi implementation. But I don't think that this really necessary. Just set your mic pres right from the first time and your done. When there is a dramatic level change on stage or studio, the recording is screwed anyway. Fist it clipps than you turn the micpre down...but the clipping is already on tape/harddisk.
With a release date this 'flexible' the mind comes up with funny ideas from time to time....
(Like the idea of being able to record the MIDI representaion of the gain knobs. I can see lots of other (nerdy) experiments coming my way.)



Sorry, I'm not sure what are you referring to? Do you mean channel crosstalk? The magazine I write for did some measurements of the X32, you can see them here-->

http://www.behringer.com/assets/X32_Tools_English.pdf

We did not measure channel crosstalk, in digital mixers there is basically no crosstalk. At least there should be no crosstalk, when you are in the digital domain and the overall layout is carefully designd:)
Concerning SNR:
"In the channel and master fader position of 0 dB and a preset gain of 0 dB,the Behringer X32 still achieved a very good signal to noise ratio of -85 dBuA,
resulting in an overall dynamic of 106 dB"
I hope that helps a bit.

Christian
Yes, i meant crosstalk (my English blacks out sometimes ...). Specifically i meant the crosstalk at the beginning (end) of the signal chain (the analog part between the XLR sockets and the A/D (D/A) converters).
You wrote that the layout is carefully designed, so this shouldn't be a problem.
We'll see.
And thanks for the Tools link.

Thank you for patiently answering all the questions.

Joachim