Really?? I poked around a bit and it seemed to me that the street price of the ILive is more than the street price of the M7.
So in the uk :
the m7 lists for £25k
Ad the t112 with an idr48 lists for 11k
(prices are ex vat)
This is well under 1/2 the price and includes digital multi...
Definitely a difference as when I have compared roughly comparable M7CL-48ES and iLive-T systems the A&H option is usually less expensive than the Yamaha but not by nearly that much of a margin.So in the uk :
the m7 lists for £25k
Ad the t112 with an idr48 lists for 11k
(prices are ex vat)
This is well under 1/2 the price and includes digital multi...
I was asking specifically about the 48-channel rack and the T112, which it seems MAP on the pair is north of $20K, with street price on the M748 being $17500 or so. My numbers are probably off, but I was pretty surprised at the report that this config of the ILive is half the price of an M7. If I could get the T112 and the 48-channel mixrack for $10K, I'd own it tomorrow.
Thanks for the numbers supporting that in the US while the iLive option is definitely less expensive even if one does a closer 'apples-to-apples' comparison to the Yamaha M7CL-48ES system using three iDR-16 in place of a single iDR-48, it is not as big a difference as the 11k versus 25k price ratio Matt had noted for an T-112 and iDR-48 versus an M7CL-48.Brad -
The US SUGGESTED RETAIL of the iLive T112+idr48 is $22K, the M7cl-48 is just under $28k, the M7cl-48es with 3 stage boxes (48 + 24ch) is $36k. Street prices are highly varible, but the iLive can be found $17-18k, about the same as the M7cl-48. The M7cl-48es system will be more, probably $23-24k street, I'm guessing.
Here's a link to a UK company that sells pro audio, for entertainment purposes only... multiply prices by 1.57 to get approx. dollar equivalent.
Brad, I don't get how 3 iDR16 would be a useful system for a comparison. That would be 3 desk-brains, 2 more than the M7CL-ES would have. Definitely not apples to apples.
Apples to apples might be:
M7CL-ES plus 3 SB168-ES
vs.
iLive T112 plus iDR48
So both systems would have one brain, 48 ins and 24 outs on stage, knobs and faders at FOH...
I have not done the numbers on this but I'm fairly confident that there is no market where the M7CL configuration is within a 20% margin to the iLive configuration.
Chris, it is interesting how some brands seem to differ so much in either direction while others exhibit very little difference.
1 iDR16, 2 xDR16 as expanders plus 2 ACE cards would get you three 16 channel stageboxes, if you want to have them. Staying in the apples to apples scheme, how many are using the ES units as drop snakes?Going to 3 iDR16 lets you use CAT5 for your drop snakes, although the better way to accomplish this is probably with an iDR-16 and 2 xDR-16 units. MSRP on this combination looks to be ~$1250 or 12.5% over the iDR-48 (at least in the US)
Going to 3 iDR16 lets you use CAT5 for your drop snakes, although the better way to accomplish this is probably with an iDR-16 and 2 xDR-16 units. MSRP on this combination looks to be ~$1250 or 12.5% over the iDR-48 (at least in the US)
The point was simply comparing not just 48 total inputs but rather comparing systems with three 16x8 I/O devices, which could be a factor in some applications. Also keep in mind that the potential cabling issues you noted would probably not apply to every application such as most installed or house systems.1 iDR16, 2 xDR16 as expanders plus 2 ACE cards would get you three 16 channel stageboxes, if you want to have them. Staying in the apples to apples scheme, how many are using the ES units as drop snakes?
So the ACE cards add up to the price.
More common would be a iDR32 or 48 plus one xDR16 combination.
I actually use copper for the drop snakes, don't trust the stage wizards to leave a CAT5 snake unharmed through the gigs. Maybe that's just me, I'd like to have some redundancy on stage.
I read you, Brad.The point was simply comparing not just 48 total inputs but rather comparing systems with three 16x8 I/O devices, which could be a factor in some applications. Also keep in mind that the potential cabling issues you noted would probably not apply to every application such as most installed or house systems.
