Re: The SM58...
Anyone know what model shure mic Daryl Hall is using on his show "Live at Daryl's House"?
Anyone know what model shure mic Daryl Hall is using on his show "Live at Daryl's House"?
The SM58...
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Re: The SM58...
I wonder if you've been dealing with counterfeit SM58's, it is one of the problems when it is the world's most popular microphone.
Best regards,
John
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I wonder if you've been dealing with counterfeit SM58's, it is one of the problems when it is the world's most popular microphone.
Best regards,
John
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not to my knowledge, however, I do own a counterfeit beta 57 and its an absolutely fantastic microphone. It is nearly perfect on every source I've tried it on. The only qualm I've had with the counterfeit one is that the connector died on me after about 5 or 6 years. I just soldered in a new one and bam! works good as new.
I love my counterfeit beta57.
not to my knowledge, however, I do own a counterfeit beta 57 and its an absolutely fantastic microphone. It is nearly perfect on every source I've tried it on. The only qualm I've had with the counterfeit one is that the connector died on me after about 5 or 6 years. I just soldered in a new one and bam! works good as new.
I love my counterfeit beta57.
Re: The SM58...
There's a thread about LFDH over at Gearslutz. Apparently they started with Beta 58s (original flavour with no transformers), but have moved to a Miktek PM9.
Live From Daryl's House - Page 7 - Gearslutz.com
That's not a mic I'm familiar with. Perhaps it looks like a KSM9, although I think he said it was a dynamic.
GTD
There's a thread about LFDH over at Gearslutz. Apparently they started with Beta 58s (original flavour with no transformers), but have moved to a Miktek PM9.
Live From Daryl's House - Page 7 - Gearslutz.com
That's not a mic I'm familiar with. Perhaps it looks like a KSM9, although I think he said it was a dynamic.
GTD
Re: The SM58...
Do you use it with the TS cable? In other words, you plug it into a high impedance, unbalanced input? And it sounds good?
It must be an amazingly good microphone!
Mick Berg.
Do you use it with the TS cable? In other words, you plug it into a high impedance, unbalanced input? And it sounds good?
It must be an amazingly good microphone!
Mick Berg.
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I still see the SM58 all over television shows and they always sound great. They just plain work. The 12 12 12 concert really surprised me. Billy Joel was singing on a $99.00 SM58 and sounding as good as he ever has. Watch Later... With Jools Holland. You'll see a mix of SM58, Beta 58, Beta 57 and Beta 56 on vocalists, as well as other mics, but the majority seem to sing through the Beta 58 and SM58.
I think it's all about knowing how to use your tools. There's nothing at all wrong with using either flavor of 58, IMO. You're chasing your tail trying to find something in it's class that works any better or is any more reliable. A few years ago, I would have argued differently. Today, I understand a little better.
I still see the SM58 all over television shows and they always sound great. They just plain work. The 12 12 12 concert really surprised me. Billy Joel was singing on a $99.00 SM58 and sounding as good as he ever has. Watch Later... With Jools Holland. You'll see a mix of SM58, Beta 58, Beta 57 and Beta 56 on vocalists, as well as other mics, but the majority seem to sing through the Beta 58 and SM58.
I think it's all about knowing how to use your tools. There's nothing at all wrong with using either flavor of 58, IMO. You're chasing your tail trying to find something in it's class that works any better or is any more reliable. A few years ago, I would have argued differently. Today, I understand a little better.
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Back to the OP, I think you need to take a look at your system and find the weaknesses. Everything from the connectors and cables to speakers and amps are suspect if you cannot make an SM 58 sound good with almost any singer any night!
Back to the OP, I think you need to take a look at your system and find the weaknesses. Everything from the connectors and cables to speakers and amps are suspect if you cannot make an SM 58 sound good with almost any singer any night!
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I think part of that is because a good vocalist knows how to work the 58. They've been around forever and generally doesn't change. You can really tell because they know just when to pull off with the big dynamics without loosing a lot of signal. But then again, that's the difference between a vocalist and just a 'singer'. Most people eat the mic too much and end up fluttering the diaphragm, which get's it sounding terrible no matter what you do with the eq.
On a side note I'm throwing my lot in with the other Sennheiser folks. I love those mics. But I will say that even though I'm not a huge fan of Blue mic on the whole, I was impressed with the Encore-100 and 200. The only thing I didn't like about it was how shiny it was. I would imagine it would look terrible after a year or so and all that chrome finish starts to flake on the windscreen.
I think part of that is because a good vocalist knows how to work the 58. They've been around forever and generally doesn't change. You can really tell because they know just when to pull off with the big dynamics without loosing a lot of signal. But then again, that's the difference between a vocalist and just a 'singer'. Most people eat the mic too much and end up fluttering the diaphragm, which get's it sounding terrible no matter what you do with the eq.
On a side note I'm throwing my lot in with the other Sennheiser folks. I love those mics. But I will say that even though I'm not a huge fan of Blue mic on the whole, I was impressed with the Encore-100 and 200. The only thing I didn't like about it was how shiny it was. I would imagine it would look terrible after a year or so and all that chrome finish starts to flake on the windscreen.
Re: The SM58...
Is the SM58 the best mic? Hell no, but it does what it does rather well and almost nobody will say no to them. They aren't being sold because of a great profit margin either. They have almost the smallest mark up in the market. There is a reason you never see them below $99 bucks new no matter where you go. Shure has a bad market campaign for them and they are hard priced at around $80 something bucks dealer cost. Hence the pretty stable price you see on them at right around $100.
I currently go to the Audio Technica AT2010 vocal condensor mic as my choice. It's cheaper then the sm58 and has similar sound qualities, with some better top end and little to no proximity effect. The handling noise exists, but is not bad and I think it sounds better and is just about the same in terms of feedback. The AT2010 is far from the best mic, but it fits my needs well for a lower price than the SM58 and I think it sounds better.
In defense of the Sm58 I have heard some singers that make the thing sound amazing and I would not consider any other mic for them. On the other side of the coin I have heard some singers that the SM58, nor any other mic could ever make sound good.
Is the SM58 the best mic? Hell no, but it does what it does rather well and almost nobody will say no to them. They aren't being sold because of a great profit margin either. They have almost the smallest mark up in the market. There is a reason you never see them below $99 bucks new no matter where you go. Shure has a bad market campaign for them and they are hard priced at around $80 something bucks dealer cost. Hence the pretty stable price you see on them at right around $100.
I currently go to the Audio Technica AT2010 vocal condensor mic as my choice. It's cheaper then the sm58 and has similar sound qualities, with some better top end and little to no proximity effect. The handling noise exists, but is not bad and I think it sounds better and is just about the same in terms of feedback. The AT2010 is far from the best mic, but it fits my needs well for a lower price than the SM58 and I think it sounds better.
In defense of the Sm58 I have heard some singers that make the thing sound amazing and I would not consider any other mic for them. On the other side of the coin I have heard some singers that the SM58, nor any other mic could ever make sound good.
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I don't think it has anything to do with vocalists knowing how to use them. I think anyone who can sing will sound good on them, if the sound man knows what he's doing.
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I do believe that mic control is pertinent to a good sound. It's not that eating the mic is bad technique, but working it in such a way that you don't really need compression is pretty cool. Proximity effect is another battle. I don't like it and it's really bad when you have someone with an already muffled voice eating the thing. Backing off a little will clear it up, at the expense of more background noise, but I would take clarity over S/N ratio any day. It is the whole package really. Not any one mic is going to sound good with every person that uses it. I would go on to say that a mic from the 99cent store would sound good on someone? It's just not likely your ever going to find that someone who will use it : )
I do believe that mic control is pertinent to a good sound. It's not that eating the mic is bad technique, but working it in such a way that you don't really need compression is pretty cool. Proximity effect is another battle. I don't like it and it's really bad when you have someone with an already muffled voice eating the thing. Backing off a little will clear it up, at the expense of more background noise, but I would take clarity over S/N ratio any day. It is the whole package really. Not any one mic is going to sound good with every person that uses it. I would go on to say that a mic from the 99cent store would sound good on someone? It's just not likely your ever going to find that someone who will use it : )
Re: The SM58...
Damn....I've got two Pro4L's......
They live in the cases of my two AH Mixwizs'.
I use them as talkback/VOG mics...they were my
"go to"
mics when I only had two mics...lol, back in the 80's...
hey...they still work great...
Mike M
Damn....I've got two Pro4L's......
They live in the cases of my two AH Mixwizs'.
I use them as talkback/VOG mics...they were my
"go to"
mics when I only had two mics...lol, back in the 80's...
hey...they still work great...
Mike M
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Mike M
I heard that an sm58 is "killer" on cow bell....No Thanks to that, then. I want as much accordion and washboard in as many of the other mic's on stage as possible!~:-D~:grin:
Mike M
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It withstands a drum stick hit MUCH better than a 57. This is a GOOD thing.
Re: The SM58...
A 58 saved a gig for me this Saturday. The local crew couldn't get the bass di up and running, the issue were a lot of intermittent channels in their main snake, phantom power would drop in and out etc. A 58 in front of the bass cabinet, some extra gain and a compressor made the day.
This was of course a festival with a 20 min change over and the band didn't bring their backline tech, so I had to help them set up and haunt down this issue at the same time. Made it in 23 mins including a linecheck and a monitor check. We left the stage at our scheduled time. The promoter was very impressed.
Was it the best sound ever archived on a bass guitar. No, but it worked just fine, sometimes other issues takes priority
A 58 saved a gig for me this Saturday. The local crew couldn't get the bass di up and running, the issue were a lot of intermittent channels in their main snake, phantom power would drop in and out etc. A 58 in front of the bass cabinet, some extra gain and a compressor made the day.
This was of course a festival with a 20 min change over and the band didn't bring their backline tech, so I had to help them set up and haunt down this issue at the same time. Made it in 23 mins including a linecheck and a monitor check. We left the stage at our scheduled time. The promoter was very impressed.
Was it the best sound ever archived on a bass guitar. No, but it worked just fine, sometimes other issues takes priority
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I would add the phrase "... for a murder weapon." to the end of that.
I would add the phrase "... for a murder weapon." to the end of that.