x32 studio Users

Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

No problem here...X32 FW to a 2007 MacBook, portable Hitachi USB external drive...Reaper..
32 tracks recording and playback never had a problem.
 
Re: x32 studio Users

Ben Gingerich said:
Thanks Per
I'm probably confused too, I'm a live guy that has never had to pay much attention to recording protocols, I will do some more studying.

My goal was to use the x32 as a controller to edit in the daw but I cannot get the mackie emulator to sync any of the faders.
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Have you got it working?

I find that sometimes when re starting a project in reaper the remote control facility disappears - what I have to do is delete the Mackie remote control surface in reaper and then "add" it in again and it works fine.

For what it is worth ,I have been banging on re some form of automation protocol within the x32 and this is my current work around for a live recording.

I set reaper to play back all the tracks recorded through the x32.
I then adjust the main levels of each track - now there are two options here:
set the levels on the x32 or using the remote control surface set the (playback) levels in reaper. AS I use all the dynamics , EQ and effects within the x32 - the former is probably the more sensible as it is in the proper place in the chain. If setting the levels in reaper then all the channel faders on the x32 should be set to unity.

All this is saved to a scene as I go along ( I also make sure that the scene and reaper project version are named to match e.g. Songname. version)

Now for tweaking volume levels within the mix I set up an automation envelope for the Track(s) in reaper and set to write and then record the volume changes using the (DCA/BUS) faders on the x32 with the remote facility- this is where it is not ideal as what I am changing is the level being fed into the X32 and not the fader level post dynamics etc ( as I am not using the reaper ones but the x32 ones!) - but for now needs must. Then set the envelope back to" read" - on playback in remote mode you will see the fader on the x32 follow the envelope changes ( this I believe is using Midi - midi to OSC conversion I presume! -).

If setting up the overall (playback) level on reaper ( see above) the channel faders on the x32 these are usually left at unity - but I may later make some overall adjustments using DCAs which can be saved to the scene - (eg percussion, instruments groups , vocals etc). One point to note when recalling a scene the master fader does not go back to the position when the scene was changed - well at least how I have it all set up! ( although I usually try to have the master at unity). What I do is set one DCA to control the level of all channels - then adjust this with the master at unity to get the correct level and save the scene - then on recall I don't nee to remember where the master level was _ I just set it to unity.
 
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Re: x32 studio Users

Nick Davis said:
Have you got it working?
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I ended up doing it right from reaper because I was on a little bit of a timeline.
However I think I've decided that the x32 is a great post production tool for something you recorded live on the X32, having bits
and pieces sent to you from all over made it very difficult operate.
When I get back in town I will play with it more to get a better working knowledge of recording in general/recording as it relates to the X32.
 
Re: x32 studio Users

Just bought X32 a month ago. My primary use is as a audio interface to my 2008 MacPro and occasional recoding. Hook up between them is thru FireWire. I too had noise problem in the beginning on both USB and FireWire. I checked Internet on cables and found the quality of cables do make a lot of difference and I bought a FireWire cable made by Unibrain. It's a bit expensive but the noise problem is mostly gone. We all know the quality of audio cables makes drastic changes but I, from this experience learned data cable quality also do matter. After all it has to carry a lot of data and when it is less susceptible to noise=errors, it will sound better.

Hope this helps!

tom from Tokyo
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Jan Duwe said:
Hi Jamie,

I am not aware of any issue with X-UF and Firewire. Just to see clearer--did you insert the HDD between the X-UF card and your Mac Pro? This is generally not a recommended setup, as you would have to pass the sync between Mac and console through the HDD bus controller.

Can you play back from the internal drive or an attached USB drive instead?

However, the X-UF fw update will soon be available, too.

Cheers,
Jan
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Hi Jan,
After all this, after all the detailed information I have given you, you should have an understanding of my technical abilities. I have been troubleshooting almost a month, with every possible permutation of set up, including 3 Behringer consoles, two other firewire sound cards, 5 different Macs, and many brand new firewire/USB cables. I am amazed, at this point, that you would imply that I would use a hard drive in between the X32 and the MacPro. Its just patronizing.

As far as your customer supporters are concerned...I have made at least a dozen phone calls and several emails and not once received any information from anyone that was of any use. We were never once told that there was an issue with the USB. I received one email and it only suggested that Apple was to blame. And now, miraculously, you say that Behringer is developing an update that will remedy 'Apple's problem?' This update doesn't seem to have materialized yet and I feel like I am being led down the garden path here. I have made my own determinations through all of MY troubleshooting, that either the USB 2.0 doesn't have the bandwidth or the chipset for the USB bus on the MacPro won't support the bandwidth, or the XUF driver won't talk properly to the Mac through USB. Bandwidth, Bus or Behringer is the problem here. And I am leaning towards the Behringer. Because in my previous set up, I had 24 tracks of digital audio via USB 2.0 without problems.

As far as the firewire is concerned, it clearly has the bandwidth. The FW bus on the MacPro can process the information, but when using the X32 (which is fW 400), you cannot use any FW 800 external devices. I have used FW 400 and FW 800, simultaneously, in my previous studio set up with this Mac before, no problems. So again, this points to the Behringer.

Right now, I cannot use the X32 with USB 2.0 - it creates snaps, pops and the control surface is erratic.
I can only use the X32 with FW 400 and have had to transfer all my studio projects from my external HD (FW 800) to another HD (USB 2.0)

So the idea that the problem lies with my technical abilities or Apple, is ridiculous. I am up and going, finally, but this is a month of frustration and lost business for me.
And no customer service from you.

Jamie.
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

The pains of being an early adopter, Jamie, or the pains of using equipment that was designed primarily as a live sound mixer with some recording capability?

What were you using before the X32? Was there some reason you couldn't go back to that setup while getting Behringer/Apple/you on the same page?

I feel your frustration but somehow keep coming back to the concept that the X32 was not the right tool for your needs, regardless of the interface issues.
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Tim McCulloch said:
The pains of being an early adopter, Jamie, or the pains of using equipment that was designed primarily as a live sound mixer with some recording capability?

What were you using before the X32? Was there some reason you couldn't go back to that setup while getting Behringer/Apple/you on the same page?

I feel your frustration but somehow keep coming back to the concept that the X32 was not the right tool for your needs, regardless of the interface issues.
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Hi Tim,

My previous setup was the MacPro, Cubase, with three Motu HD896s with 16 channels of Mackie Control surface. Also sometimes used 16 channels of Personus via USB. Same computer, no problem. It was a combination of my gear and my ex-partner's gear. My ex-partner's gear is not available to me now. Making the decision to purchase and use the X-32 as the centrepiece of my new studio was based on a fair amount of research. Live VS Recording was one of the issues I considered. After finally solving the issues at hand and using the console in several multitrack situations I have found it to be a great solution to my I/O, control surface, routing, and DSP needs. I just mixed a 3 hour 132 gig 50 track live show without a hitch.
My issue is not with the flexibility of the console or usability of the console. My issue is the lack of knowledge and support from the "customer supporters." If I had of been given the information on the USB and FW issues, I still would have purchased the console and would have been up and running right away.

Jamie
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Jamie Alcorn said:
I am amazed, at this point, that you would imply that I would use a hard drive in between the X32 and the MacPro. Its just patronizing.
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Jamie, while I am not interested in trying to defend customer support, I don't know how good or bad they might be, nobody that has been following you on this forum has got any reason to think that you are particularly capable. It took you two weeks to tell us you were on a Mac, fairly significant information.
You also tell us you couldn't get clean sound with FiWi on a Mac, now that points to someone doing something wrong, particularly because you yourself eliminated a possibly faulty X32 or card by trying three different boards. There are hundreds of users that have the X32 working perfectly with Mac over Firewire, so it is obviously not any design faults with the X32 that prevents you from getting a result.
Now, is it unreasonable at this point to check for all possible things that you might have done wrong? How can anyone help you if we can't suggest what you might have done wrong?
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Jamie Alcorn said:
My issue is not with the flexibility of the console or usability of the console. My issue is the lack of knowledge and support from the "customer supporters." If I had of been given the information on the USB and FW issues, I still would have purchased the console and would have been up and running right away.

Jamie
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hi Jamie,
I am software developer in my day job. And although there are a lot of issues reported to me where I can find easy an answer which helps the user to fix it, every nw and then tere is one issue where the answer could not be found easily.
Of course I try to find a similar environment but computer together with hardware and software is today a very complex thing. And sometimes only one element you'll never think about it can cause big problems.
All of them you told us leads me to the conclusion that your setup is not a regular one even if it is regular for you. So give them a chance to find a solution and help them in giving tem as much information as possible.
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Hi everybody, as I started to record with x32 recently in a studio setup, I can't figure if its possible to listen a bus with fx applied to it in solo mode. When I solo the bus all I hear is it s clean sum without the fx. In no solo mode, I can hear the fx but it would be helpful to hear it also in solo mode.
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Hi Per,

You are correct.. I didn't mention the fact that I'm a Mac user until I was well into the forum (my bad). Every time I was in contact with Customer support I gave them a complete run down of my studio setup including the fact that I'm a Mac user. The reason I had the problem with FW is because I had a FW 800 HDD connected to the computer as well as the FW 400 from the X-32. So when I tried to use FW the first 3 times it just gave me a blast of white noise. As I said in my other post.. It was about 3 weeks into the mess when I tried FW without the FW 800 HDD connected to the computer. I just would have been better for me to know that from customer support.

I am completely appreciative of the comments and and ideas in this forum. My frustration is with Behringer Tech support.

Thanks for your comments,

Jamie
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Dragos Strat said:
Hi everybody, as I started to record with x32 recently in a studio setup, I can't figure if its possible to listen a bus with fx applied to it in solo mode. When I solo the bus all I hear is it s clean sum without the fx. In no solo mode, I can hear the fx but it would be helpful to hear it also in solo mode.
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There is no way to achieve that with solo on a live desk because the fx channels need to pass effects for all channels even when soloing to monitors, otherwise the effects going to main mix would be affected by soloing, not what you would want for live performance.
To mimic the solo with effects that you get on a daw, I suggest you set up a mute group that mutes all inputs, and then unmute the channel/channels you want to solo, or in the case of a specific bus/subgroup like "Drums" or "Vocals", that you set up a specific mute group that mutes every channel that does not go into that subgroup, including muting the other subgroups.
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Jamie Alcorn said:
This update doesn't seem to have materialized yet and I feel like I am being led down the garden path here.
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Well, actually it has materialized, I missed it when I was looking for it a couple of days ago, but apparently it has been there for the last three days (maybe the site is a bit slow on the update after something has been published)

http://www.behringerdownload.de/X32/X-UF_UpgradeTool_8412.zip

Haven't tried it yet, I might run down to the shop later and give it a go ( I'll survive if my card becomes inoperative :razz: )
 
Re: Using X32 with Cubase 7

Klaus Mock said:
hi Jamie,
I am software developer in my day job. And although there are a lot of issues reported to me where I can find easy an answer which helps the user to fix it, every nw and then tere is one issue where the answer could not be found easily.
Of course I try to find a similar environment but computer together with hardware and software is today a very complex thing. And sometimes only one element you'll never think about it can cause big problems.
All of them you told us leads me to the conclusion that your setup is not a regular one even if it is regular for you. So give them a chance to find a solution and help them in giving tem as much information as possible.
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+1
In general: "Computer and audio" can be a pita these days. I knew we're all screwed from the day, when the officials from RME stated in the own forum, they won't never ever give any laptop or computer recommendations anymore!
This was about three years ago. I onced bought a loptop, that was recommended by the RME forum moderator, stated to run perfect with the RME gear. I never got that thing running stable. Turned out, that my computer (exactly the same model, just three months older) had a significant differnet hardware and chipsets. "Changed without further notice" and this goes for all computer gear. If you are depended on a 100% stable audio computer, go and buy one from a dedicated daw builder!
Like:
Home
or
ADK Pro Audio| Digital Audio workstations, Pro Audio Laptops, Pro audio interfaces, Pro audio software, DAW.

Yes, they are expensive...but you never have to spend your time again on a interforum searching for help with your DAW setup. Fact is, there are indeed some possible combinations of computer hardware, that will never work stable for real time audio. I recorded with my X32 from a Acer One (with ATOM CPU!), over various laptops from Asus oder Lenovo and with my late 2011 MBP with no problems at all! But my studio computer (i7, 8GM, Win7-64bit) works only over USB...on Fiwi it just won't work. And yes, I do have a TI FiWi card and I know at least "a bit" about tweaking a computer. On the same computer I can run a Focusrite Saffire Pro56 over FiWi with 64 Samples with no problems at all.
To sum it up: There is no way for Behringer and any other soundcard manufacture to test and evaluate all possible hardware solutions available on this planet! We better get used to this...

Christian
 
Route DAW playback to Aux Output

Hi there

Is it at all possible to route playback from DAW via the Card out menu directly to the Aux output? Or do you have to route via an input channel then via a Mixgroup to the Aux output?

I'm trying to route to external hardware effects unit via an External Audio effect in Ableton Live 9.1. Any insight or advice would be gratefully appreciated.

Peace, love and flowers,

Sean
 
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Using X32 as Mackie Control with Bitwig Studio

The Behringher x32 does speak OSC I I said in the prior post I have this working with the app "x32midiosc" which runs as a on the OSX terminal.
It will also run with the MCU concurrently.
JUst posted this on KVR at http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=259&t=417075
If any one is interested.

If you know the X32 there are 16 channel faders which are bank swithchable these are not used for the MCU emulation. The 8 Bus faders are used to do the MCU emulation when the remote button is pressed.
The 16 channel faders will only work when the X32osc app is running With BWS it will then show up as five sets of MIDI i/o in BWS. As long as you have the matching amount of audio/instruments tracks it. And the MCU control script select as i/o, it works .

My current problems (besides getting to MidiOSC script to work), Is with the above mentioned the faders (in BWS, and the X32) always control channels 1,9,17 etc ... This is not a problem In Logic, Live. StudioOne, Reaper as you can make settings to offset or identify the oder of the 5 MCU units x32midiosc emulates. The current BWS MCU script does not allow for multiple MCU identification. I have attached a copy of the x32osc pdf.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The X32 and its variant has become Quite popular In Live Sound and can be used in a studio environment. considering it functions as a control surface, and huge 32 channel fir wire or USB interface.
As I mentioned I have had success using it with LIve , Logic etc… and with BWS but not so much as a control surface.

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Re: Using X32 as Mackie Control with Bitwig Studio

Thus far i have not been able to use the X32 with the OSC script written, for remote control purposes
Using the Mackie MCU script works fine But seems to have a bug every time the BWS transport return to zero the master fader resets with no automation recorded
I do not no if this occurs in a real MCU vice the one emulated in the X32
Anyone that could verify this on either real or emulated MCU please let me know.
The libation of using the MCU script is that all the automated mixing occurs "in the box"
With the x32 capable of 32 in and outs you might want to mix "out the box"
Using a OSX terminal app called "x32midiosc" {please google{ I was able to do the following:
The x32mdiosc does midi to o/c, and o/c to midi conversion while it emulates 6 Mackie MCU's
allowing you to use all 16 channel faders and 8 buss faders for a total os 32channel,16 buss control (with bank switch), and the master fader of the x32
It also give the possibility of automating the X32 in a live situation while controlling levels of audio to all 32 to channels ""out the box" Using the "in the box method does not work for external mix to well as the mixes gain structure is created o
"in the box" and you would be destroying any gain structuring done on x32 .
Using x32midiosc, I have gotten to the where the faders are in BWS are controlling audio in in the x32 vice just in BWS.Normally when the MCU script I am audio within BWS which being routed in stereo from the BWS master faders to two outputs of the x32 When running with x32midiosc I had to do some routing of outputs
because you controlling both mix in BWS
The mix can now take place in the x32 vice BWS and the MIX in the x32
So the solution was two create 2 mixes one BWS one x32
Here how, first iI defeat the main output of BWS (Which is routed to out 31/32 without a external EFX router on the master track
It is then muted on the x32 ch 31/32 to avoid feedback. THen I put a external EFX router on every audio/instrument track in BWS and route it each individual out to input channel on the x32
The control is bi-directional, the caveat is that you must create 32 audio/instrument tracks, and 16 EFX returns in BWS, for it to properly be represented on the x32 32 mixer channels and 16 busses channels and the master fader.

It will work without this setup in BWS but what is seen on the BWS GUI will not match whats is on the x32 faders
the last thing to remember is that stereo or mono in BWS is represented by one fader.
If a instrument track is routed in stereo via the external EFX router in BWS {one fader the BWS nixer) two faders on the x32 it may lead to some confusion as to what you are controlling.
If the tracks are routed in mono then the BWS/x32 mixer relationship is one to one
To bet the mix coming from BWS enable its master Fader (i have this routed to outputs 31/32 on x32 which are muted there also
The individual channels on the x32 must be muted to avoid feedback as the main mix is coming from BWS
For those that like the idea of mixing "out the box" but also don't want to give up the "in the box option.
With some clever routing to a multi i/o audio interace or Multi i/o digital mixer you can have the nest of both
I pretty sure that The Presonus digital mixers have OSC Capability also.
Please excuse any typos I am a one finger kind of guy with bad eyesight.

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