Re: Behringer iNUKE NU6000 amplifier
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Behringer iNUKE NU6000 amplifier
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Re: Behringer iNUKE NU6000 amplifier
But it was the "general idea" that I was trying to get across.
As usual-there are a lot of "it depends".
And some people really like the "sound" of distortion. They think it is "right" and "the way it is "supposed to sound"-because they hear so much distortion and compression.
Everything from bad MP3s to compressed radio and poor "boom boxes" to bad car stereos and such.
Yeah and in reality-if the input level is turned down so far-the input stage of the amplifier could clip long before the output.
But it was the "general idea" that I was trying to get across.
As usual-there are a lot of "it depends".
And some people really like the "sound" of distortion. They think it is "right" and "the way it is "supposed to sound"-because they hear so much distortion and compression.
Everything from bad MP3s to compressed radio and poor "boom boxes" to bad car stereos and such.
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. Even my little RCF 310a's - I was at a rathole bar last Saturday where I only had room for one (over a pair of 2x12 subs) and my levels were telling me I was arfin' loud but I had to pull out the SPL meter to tell me I was ~105dB peak 30 feet back in a 50 foot room 8O~8-O~:shock: .
Ain't that the truth! Similar issue with speakers with ultra-flat response and low distortion at max - they just don't sound "loud". That seems to be a problem with Danley's in particular
. Even my little RCF 310a's - I was at a rathole bar last Saturday where I only had room for one (over a pair of 2x12 subs) and my levels were telling me I was arfin' loud but I had to pull out the SPL meter to tell me I was ~105dB peak 30 feet back in a 50 foot room 8O~8-O~:shock: .Re: Behringer iNUKE NU6000 amplifier
I am very sorry to bother the community here with all these unfortunate messages, but it is important that we set the record straight. Please find a video of the amplifier in question that shows also the serial number of David’s unit. As you can see, the unit runs perfectly well. We had invited David earlier to our Care center to show him this fact but he had declined it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbzXrXfvK8&feature=youtu.be
The speaker issue is related to an overloaded speaker, as we found the voice coil to be burnt out. We can only assume that the VP2520 speaker was connected to the NU6000/EP4000 which is too strong for this particular model that can handle max. 500 Watt continuous power. We are more than happy to show David the picture of the defective voice coil which is the reason why the distributor declined warranty. Burnt-out voice coils are not covered by warranty, and I believe this is very common among manufacturers.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
MUSIC GROUP SERVICES JP K.K.
I am very sorry to bother the community here with all these unfortunate messages, but it is important that we set the record straight. Please find a video of the amplifier in question that shows also the serial number of David’s unit. As you can see, the unit runs perfectly well. We had invited David earlier to our Care center to show him this fact but he had declined it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbzXrXfvK8&feature=youtu.be
The speaker issue is related to an overloaded speaker, as we found the voice coil to be burnt out. We can only assume that the VP2520 speaker was connected to the NU6000/EP4000 which is too strong for this particular model that can handle max. 500 Watt continuous power. We are more than happy to show David the picture of the defective voice coil which is the reason why the distributor declined warranty. Burnt-out voice coils are not covered by warranty, and I believe this is very common among manufacturers.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Yuka ISHIGAMI
Manager, CARE
MUSIC GROUP SERVICES JP K.K.
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Hi Yuka,
I confess I only watched two minutes before I found the plot to be lacking suspense and turned it off. I trust that it worked for the full 19 minutes of the video. Did you leave it on for a couple of days to see what happened, just to be sure?
While watching David's video and watching the amp reset, I wondered if the IEC cord could have been only partially seated. That could result in the kind of behavior we saw in his video. I've had that happen (another "oops" moment- see X32 thread) and is one reason I don't like an IEC cord on a device that could be drawing some real power.
Glad you got your amp back.
Dan
Hi Yuka,
I confess I only watched two minutes before I found the plot to be lacking suspense and turned it off. I trust that it worked for the full 19 minutes of the video. Did you leave it on for a couple of days to see what happened, just to be sure?
While watching David's video and watching the amp reset, I wondered if the IEC cord could have been only partially seated. That could result in the kind of behavior we saw in his video. I've had that happen (another "oops" moment- see X32 thread) and is one reason I don't like an IEC cord on a device that could be drawing some real power.
Glad you got your amp back.
Dan
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Na I wouldnt leave its my living room. Everything is line level up to the board and nobody touches that either they cant its enclosed, were not clipping the channels either. Ba its junk
Na I wouldnt leave its my living room. Everything is line level up to the board and nobody touches that either they cant its enclosed, were not clipping the channels either. Ba its junk
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David, you can't burn a voice coil without putting to much power into it over time, period.
So the amplifier was crancked up to high, simple.
The only other reason can be that your amplifier is defect and puts out DC current.
Even if amplifiers go into protection because of the bad power supplied, it won't burn. (Except in vary rare conditions with compression drivers)
So maybe you don't get it, but the majority of the members here don't believe you. It's like you have a personal rant against behringer.
That's strange because they offered help more than once.
David, you can't burn a voice coil without putting to much power into it over time, period.
So the amplifier was crancked up to high, simple.
The only other reason can be that your amplifier is defect and puts out DC current.
Even if amplifiers go into protection because of the bad power supplied, it won't burn. (Except in vary rare conditions with compression drivers)
So maybe you don't get it, but the majority of the members here don't believe you. It's like you have a personal rant against behringer.
That's strange because they offered help more than once.
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That's interesting. So you think that there is no such thing as a defective product? The ONLY way a piece of equipment can fail is from abuse?
That's interesting. So you think that there is no such thing as a defective product? The ONLY way a piece of equipment can fail is from abuse?
Silas Pradetto
Graduate Student
If it were defective it may fail prematurely, perhaps by going open circuit, but I don't think there is any way to burn a coil without excessive power.
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How do you know the voice coil was "burned"? Ever since the X32 was introduced, all Behringer products are fail-proof?
It's funny, the Behringer Marketing Blitz has been so successful that someone reporting problems is accused of being on a "personal rant"(not by you). One would think Behringer has a stellar record if you didn't know history!
How do you know the voice coil was "burned"? Ever since the X32 was introduced, all Behringer products are fail-proof?
It's funny, the Behringer Marketing Blitz has been so successful that someone reporting problems is accused of being on a "personal rant"(not by you). One would think Behringer has a stellar record if you didn't know history!
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Go back to post #264. And please dont make such comments if you have not read the thread in full.
Go back to post #264. And please dont make such comments if you have not read the thread in full.
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Voice coils don't self-immolate. Pyle, JBL, Eminence, EV, Behringer. None have been reported as spontaneously combusting. Perhaps Mr. Ohyama did not select the right product for this use or it was used inappropriately.
His amplifier issue is another matter. I believe the Care team when they say they could not replicate the failure; I've had stuff fail that worked when put on the bench in front of a technician qualified to diagnose and repair. NPF, the tag will say, and the damn thing wouldn't work when I took it to the gig or back to the shop. In most of those cases we eventually found electrical service issues or intermittent signal wiring. I do not think Mr. Ohyama is lying about his amp, nor do I think Behringer is lying about it. For whatever reasons, they simply cannot duplicate the failure.
Voice coils don't self-immolate. Pyle, JBL, Eminence, EV, Behringer. None have been reported as spontaneously combusting. Perhaps Mr. Ohyama did not select the right product for this use or it was used inappropriately.
His amplifier issue is another matter. I believe the Care team when they say they could not replicate the failure; I've had stuff fail that worked when put on the bench in front of a technician qualified to diagnose and repair. NPF, the tag will say, and the damn thing wouldn't work when I took it to the gig or back to the shop. In most of those cases we eventually found electrical service issues or intermittent signal wiring. I do not think Mr. Ohyama is lying about his amp, nor do I think Behringer is lying about it. For whatever reasons, they simply cannot duplicate the failure.
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If the speaker has a mechanical defect and is not producing sound (scroll up " I had noticed that 1 cabinet out of the box seemed to not have the same volume level as the other) all the power sent to the coil will just end up as heat because the speaker is not operating at its design efficiency. Basically the speaker is not producing sound so the heat sits in the coil. We are pretty sure the the EP4000 is a good match for the VP2520's as they are basically 500 RMS 1000 program and 2000 peak. They are a good match for an EP 4000 that has its volume knobs fixed at 1.6 on the clock this is a bit before 9 o'clock. Being we rarely used them this coil shouldn't have burnt under these circumstances. Rest assured we are sure the line levels up to the amp were all good.
If the speaker has a mechanical defect and is not producing sound (scroll up " I had noticed that 1 cabinet out of the box seemed to not have the same volume level as the other) all the power sent to the coil will just end up as heat because the speaker is not operating at its design efficiency. Basically the speaker is not producing sound so the heat sits in the coil. We are pretty sure the the EP4000 is a good match for the VP2520's as they are basically 500 RMS 1000 program and 2000 peak. They are a good match for an EP 4000 that has its volume knobs fixed at 1.6 on the clock this is a bit before 9 o'clock. Being we rarely used them this coil shouldn't have burnt under these circumstances. Rest assured we are sure the line levels up to the amp were all good.
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The amp could stay on at most for little more than the first hour or so sometimes but it would have to be powered down for a day to do so, after it started resetting as you could see in my video it would keep repeating this and that is pretty much that from our side on this subject. Hope you don't try to resell that one. For IEC connect problems there is a type of non conductive foam/jell that can be sprayed into the jack so the cable won't come loose. Usually used for servers in data centers, financials use it, Amazon, Google etc. It hardens rather quickly and only requires little more than regular strength to break the seal on removal. We tried fiddling with the connection to see if that was the trouble but moving the cable around didn't power down the AMP. Wasn't that. The EP 4000 on the other hand Yuka kindly sent us as a trade up has given us no problems what so ever under the same conditions.
The amp could stay on at most for little more than the first hour or so sometimes but it would have to be powered down for a day to do so, after it started resetting as you could see in my video it would keep repeating this and that is pretty much that from our side on this subject. Hope you don't try to resell that one. For IEC connect problems there is a type of non conductive foam/jell that can be sprayed into the jack so the cable won't come loose. Usually used for servers in data centers, financials use it, Amazon, Google etc. It hardens rather quickly and only requires little more than regular strength to break the seal on removal. We tried fiddling with the connection to see if that was the trouble but moving the cable around didn't power down the AMP. Wasn't that. The EP 4000 on the other hand Yuka kindly sent us as a trade up has given us no problems what so ever under the same conditions.
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The only way that a coil heats without producing sound is that DC is applied. (Defective amplifier) or the coil can't move. Mostly because of a moved pole plate. But I never have seen one who got stuck without a lot of distorsion at first.
8O~8-O~:shock:
You really believe this? Burn but no sound?
I really believe that your problematic amp is another story, as a repair man myself I do see these sort of problems passing. (Working hours and hours at my place, but not at the clients place) Maybe that does influence the other story on a negative way...
The only way that a coil heats without producing sound is that DC is applied. (Defective amplifier) or the coil can't move. Mostly because of a moved pole plate. But I never have seen one who got stuck without a lot of distorsion at first.
8O~8-O~:shock:
You really believe this? Burn but no sound?I really believe that your problematic amp is another story, as a repair man myself I do see these sort of problems passing. (Working hours and hours at my place, but not at the clients place) Maybe that does influence the other story on a negative way...
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I suppose that if the voice coil is stuck with the magnet due to some mechanical issue it would not move (thus not producing any sound) and would overheat due to not being properly cooled.
I've had a speaker where the basket were slightly deformed and therefor made it impossible for the cone to move.
On the other hand I've had a new yamaha amp blowing a speaker stack due to self oscillating.
I wonder which of the speaker elements that blew?
I suppose that if the voice coil is stuck with the magnet due to some mechanical issue it would not move (thus not producing any sound) and would overheat due to not being properly cooled.
I've had a speaker where the basket were slightly deformed and therefor made it impossible for the cone to move.
On the other hand I've had a new yamaha amp blowing a speaker stack due to self oscillating.
I wonder which of the speaker elements that blew?
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I have seen several stuck speakers - either center pole has moved to side or voice coil has jumped out and not quite right back in. If the voice coil wire has not been broken, there has still been sound - no low frequencies, but mid-upper-mid frequencies at substantial level. Voice coil jump outs have always been cases, where the system had no low-cut filter - add to that massive low-end boost in order to get "sound of strong man" as so many karaoke singers voice tends to resemble butt hair - thin and not so clean - then bump the microfone and voila´- goodbye voice coil... Keep frying the speaker with still more volume and at the end there is a lot of soot in the magnet gap.
Hello
I have seen several stuck speakers - either center pole has moved to side or voice coil has jumped out and not quite right back in. If the voice coil wire has not been broken, there has still been sound - no low frequencies, but mid-upper-mid frequencies at substantial level. Voice coil jump outs have always been cases, where the system had no low-cut filter - add to that massive low-end boost in order to get "sound of strong man" as so many karaoke singers voice tends to resemble butt hair - thin and not so clean - then bump the microfone and voila´- goodbye voice coil... Keep frying the speaker with still more volume and at the end there is a lot of soot in the magnet gap.
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How can there be so many views and posts on products that are inferior from the start. You get what you pay for.8O~8-O~:shock:
How can there be so many views and posts on products that are inferior from the start. You get what you pay for.8O~8-O~:shock:
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Hello
I have two iNuke 6000DSP since last december. I am quite pleased with them for several reasons.
- I never expected them to deliver more than 600-800W per channel continuous - I read the test that was linked on product site.
- I drive one channel into 4 ohms mid and second channel into 16 ohms high
- Built-in DSP does everything needed and there is still plenty of it unused.
- YES - the amp is cheap/low-price - but in my opinion worth every euro spent on it.
- Great for rental with cabinets, while one can lock settings so customers can not tamper them - not so with separate x-over and amp.
- My customers are happy - I am happy - so for our application they are not inferior - national festival might be another story.
Here in Finland we have 230V AC with 16A maximum of one outlet - three-phase up to 3x63A - so one outlet can produce 230x16=3680W power, of which the amp can deliver 50-80% in average - so nobody with ANY basic knowledge would expect 2x3000W at any load. Agreed Behringer should put power ratings into figures, that respond to real world and which are clear to everybody - not just engineers - in order to avoid big misunderstandigs and false expectations.
Agreed there are much better amps, that unfortunately cost way more and are heavier than #€%&// - but certainly this amp has it´s rightfull place, too.
Peace
Hello
I have two iNuke 6000DSP since last december. I am quite pleased with them for several reasons.
- I never expected them to deliver more than 600-800W per channel continuous - I read the test that was linked on product site.
- I drive one channel into 4 ohms mid and second channel into 16 ohms high
- Built-in DSP does everything needed and there is still plenty of it unused.
- YES - the amp is cheap/low-price - but in my opinion worth every euro spent on it.
- Great for rental with cabinets, while one can lock settings so customers can not tamper them - not so with separate x-over and amp.
- My customers are happy - I am happy - so for our application they are not inferior - national festival might be another story.
Here in Finland we have 230V AC with 16A maximum of one outlet - three-phase up to 3x63A - so one outlet can produce 230x16=3680W power, of which the amp can deliver 50-80% in average - so nobody with ANY basic knowledge would expect 2x3000W at any load. Agreed Behringer should put power ratings into figures, that respond to real world and which are clear to everybody - not just engineers - in order to avoid big misunderstandigs and false expectations.
Agreed there are much better amps, that unfortunately cost way more and are heavier than #€%&// - but certainly this amp has it´s rightfull place, too.
Peace
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Hi Timo,
Can you comment on the noise levels you get from these amps? Do you notice greater amounts of hiss compared to other amplifiers?
Thanks
Hi Timo,
Can you comment on the noise levels you get from these amps? Do you notice greater amounts of hiss compared to other amplifiers?
Thanks