New QSC Product - TouchMix
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Anyone check out the power cord input.....custom...... fail...... Is a powercon or IEC not good enough QSC ? I hope nobody forgets and leaves it plugged in the garage outlet on the way out to the gig....
Anyone check out the power cord input.....custom...... fail...... Is a powercon or IEC not good enough QSC ? I hope nobody forgets and leaves it plugged in the garage outlet on the way out to the gig....
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I was excited until I saw this, so obviously you have to drop a big ugly power supply on the ground.
Still, anybody at NAMM able to report on price?
I was excited until I saw this, so obviously you have to drop a big ugly power supply on the ground.
Still, anybody at NAMM able to report on price?
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Looks like they went with something like the Line 6 digital mixer or the Mackie DL. No I'm not utterly disappointed... I wonder if you will be able to control the preamp gain from the remote iPad app?
Looks like they went with something like the Line 6 digital mixer or the Mackie DL. No I'm not utterly disappointed... I wonder if you will be able to control the preamp gain from the remote iPad app?
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Not only does it require a power brick, but it is a non-standard multi-pin connector of some sort. If you lose that connection, you're screwed. Yes, built in power supplies would have resulted in higher costs for UL listing, but with the requirement of some non standard power supply, I've lost all interest. Bummer, because the rest of it looks like a great little unit.
Not only does it require a power brick, but it is a non-standard multi-pin connector of some sort. If you lose that connection, you're screwed. Yes, built in power supplies would have resulted in higher costs for UL listing, but with the requirement of some non standard power supply, I've lost all interest. Bummer, because the rest of it looks like a great little unit.
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I really can't understand the reasoning behind a mixer with a completely digital interface for every single control item with the exception of input gain. What the heck is the point?
If you're going touch screen, go touch screen.
I really can't understand the reasoning behind a mixer with a completely digital interface for every single control item with the exception of input gain. What the heck is the point?
If you're going touch screen, go touch screen.
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Street price for the TM-8 $899 and TM-16 $1299. It's not as feature filled and expandable as the X32 rack, so is $200 going to make a difference? Then again it's a QSC product. I hate power bricks and this one looks like a multi-voltage unit Ala Polycom EF2280 yuk.
Street price for the TM-8 $899 and TM-16 $1299. It's not as feature filled and expandable as the X32 rack, so is $200 going to make a difference? Then again it's a QSC product. I hate power bricks and this one looks like a multi-voltage unit Ala Polycom EF2280 yuk.
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The power button is right on top next to the phantom button. Not the best idea. I'm sure they put a delay counter so you have to hold it down for a while. But still...
The power button is right on top next to the phantom button. Not the best idea. I'm sure they put a delay counter so you have to hold it down for a while. But still...
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input gain is the only thing that can't be done in DSP, since it is literally the gain before going to digital. in order to make those available on the touch screen they would have to be digitally controlled analog parts, which can get expensive.
Jason
input gain is the only thing that can't be done in DSP, since it is literally the gain before going to digital. in order to make those available on the touch screen they would have to be digitally controlled analog parts, which can get expensive.
Jason
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In the attempt to keep the form factor as small and compact as possible, such (objectionable) compromises as power warts and surface inputs become almost mandatory. I dislike both, especially the inputs in a position where torque on the jacks will wear them more rapidly, make the light-weight board less stable and stress the shielding of the cables from the resulting bend and weight bearing.
Maybe for light-duty AV gigs...
In the attempt to keep the form factor as small and compact as possible, such (objectionable) compromises as power warts and surface inputs become almost mandatory. I dislike both, especially the inputs in a position where torque on the jacks will wear them more rapidly, make the light-weight board less stable and stress the shielding of the cables from the resulting bend and weight bearing.
Maybe for light-duty AV gigs...
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A complete non-event. I hate how MI and Consumer mixers are getting. But, I'm sure the cheap stuff is where the money is.
I keep hoping, and I really wonder if I'll ever see the mixer I envision in my head in my lifetime...
All touch-screen except the faders and maybe a few rows of knobs above the faders. Faders and knobs can be assigned to anything.
Completely configurable to as many inputs and outputs as you desire, outputs can be fed from anywhere in the audio chain.
Audio paths completely configurable, with processing and plugins insertable anywhere.
Snapshots with anywhere from single-parameter to complete console recall.
Automation.
Open-source file formats and communication protocols.
Redundancy where needed.
Built like a tank, with rock-solid programming.
A complete non-event. I hate how MI and Consumer mixers are getting. But, I'm sure the cheap stuff is where the money is.
I keep hoping, and I really wonder if I'll ever see the mixer I envision in my head in my lifetime...
All touch-screen except the faders and maybe a few rows of knobs above the faders. Faders and knobs can be assigned to anything.
Completely configurable to as many inputs and outputs as you desire, outputs can be fed from anywhere in the audio chain.
Audio paths completely configurable, with processing and plugins insertable anywhere.
Snapshots with anywhere from single-parameter to complete console recall.
Automation.
Open-source file formats and communication protocols.
Redundancy where needed.
Built like a tank, with rock-solid programming.
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So basically, you want a REALLY GOOD product? Join the club.
So basically, you want a REALLY GOOD product? Join the club.
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As opposed to faders and knobs, I'd like a completely moving part free, weather proof surface, think weatherized 42" touch screen, with areas that you can "zoom" on, or to make knobs larger to improve fine adjustments... You want the eq section at the bottom and faders in the middle... No problem, drop n drag...A "minority report" audio mixer that can handle the beer spills or light rain if the tarp failed...connection to the brain stage box. Done
As opposed to faders and knobs, I'd like a completely moving part free, weather proof surface, think weatherized 42" touch screen, with areas that you can "zoom" on, or to make knobs larger to improve fine adjustments... You want the eq section at the bottom and faders in the middle... No problem, drop n drag...A "minority report" audio mixer that can handle the beer spills or light rain if the tarp failed...connection to the brain stage box. Done
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True. But it's been made very clear with the massive criticism of the Mackie DL's lack of recallable pres and Presonous's lack of recallable/motorized faders that people want that feature even if it adds to the price of the mixer. I think QSC made a mistake with this product. I certainly won't buy one due this one major missing feature. And it is the type of mixer I'm looking for to fill the void between my A&H ZED and the Venue SC48 I use. Looks like for better or for worse, the Behringer iX16 will be filling that void as it appears to be the only upcoming product that has fully recallable/automated channel strips. And it will probably be in the same price range as the TouchMix. If you're going to make a digital board these days, it really should be fully digital IMHO, sans the required analog I/O. Some digital I/O would be nice too since many speaker processors have AES inputs. But can live without that on a small format product.
True. But it's been made very clear with the massive criticism of the Mackie DL's lack of recallable pres and Presonous's lack of recallable/motorized faders that people want that feature even if it adds to the price of the mixer. I think QSC made a mistake with this product. I certainly won't buy one due this one major missing feature. And it is the type of mixer I'm looking for to fill the void between my A&H ZED and the Venue SC48 I use. Looks like for better or for worse, the Behringer iX16 will be filling that void as it appears to be the only upcoming product that has fully recallable/automated channel strips. And it will probably be in the same price range as the TouchMix. If you're going to make a digital board these days, it really should be fully digital IMHO, sans the required analog I/O. Some digital I/O would be nice too since many speaker processors have AES inputs. But can live without that on a small format product.
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So...you need 8 DCA groups and 8 mute groups on a mixer with only 8 input channels...:roll:
So...you need 8 DCA groups and 8 mute groups on a mixer with only 8 input channels...:roll:
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Although after reading a bit more, I do like the direct to hard drive recording capability. And the second USB port so you can still back up to a flash drive.
If they put the connectors on the back and made a wall mount, it would make a nice little install mixer for ball rooms and lecture rooms etc...
Although after reading a bit more, I do like the direct to hard drive recording capability. And the second USB port so you can still back up to a flash drive.
If they put the connectors on the back and made a wall mount, it would make a nice little install mixer for ball rooms and lecture rooms etc...
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Yes and no to this one. Everybody wants recallable gains, but watching literally hundreds of engineers during their Linecheck or Soundcheck, I find that the first button they touch in nearly every instance is the gain. It also is the one parameter that actually does need checking every single day ( if not minute ). It also is the parameter that is most likely to change every single day ( if not minute ). So I am slightly biased about the obsession with that one being stored. What difference does it make if you have to adjust it anyway?
Then again in a theatre application a recallable Preamp would be really useful. But it is actually not easy to do and therefore will require the willingness to pay more money. I basically think if you pay less then 3000 bucks for your mixer you need to get over that one.
BTW. What happened to real mixing, An XL4 never had recallable Preamps.
Yes and no to this one. Everybody wants recallable gains, but watching literally hundreds of engineers during their Linecheck or Soundcheck, I find that the first button they touch in nearly every instance is the gain. It also is the one parameter that actually does need checking every single day ( if not minute ). It also is the parameter that is most likely to change every single day ( if not minute ). So I am slightly biased about the obsession with that one being stored. What difference does it make if you have to adjust it anyway?
Then again in a theatre application a recallable Preamp would be really useful. But it is actually not easy to do and therefore will require the willingness to pay more money. I basically think if you pay less then 3000 bucks for your mixer you need to get over that one.
BTW. What happened to real mixing, An XL4 never had recallable Preamps.
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Right on. Come on people. If you are wanting recallable gain, you are likely doing the same gig repeatedly to make use of such a preset. Now, if you can't remember where 8 or 16 knobs should start after attentive mixing a couple of times, perhaps you should take a pic, break out a Sharpie, or hang it up. Aside from that, how likely are you going be in the exact same acoustic space, with the same humans, playing the same instruments the exact same volume, dynamics, etc? Hello? Have you ever worked with a guitar player who was consistent? Please. Use the PFL and set the gain.
The reason why people complain about these small mixers is because said people do not understand their context.
Right on. Come on people. If you are wanting recallable gain, you are likely doing the same gig repeatedly to make use of such a preset. Now, if you can't remember where 8 or 16 knobs should start after attentive mixing a couple of times, perhaps you should take a pic, break out a Sharpie, or hang it up. Aside from that, how likely are you going be in the exact same acoustic space, with the same humans, playing the same instruments the exact same volume, dynamics, etc? Hello? Have you ever worked with a guitar player who was consistent? Please. Use the PFL and set the gain.
The reason why people complain about these small mixers is because said people do not understand their context.
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Actually I'm more concerned with being controllable from the iPad than the ability to recall. In a lot of applications, at least my applications, the benefit of iPad mixing is that ability to mix without a FOH position in order to save carrying tables, snakes, etc.
I realize that's just me, but for just me, it's a deal breaker.
Actually I'm more concerned with being controllable from the iPad than the ability to recall. In a lot of applications, at least my applications, the benefit of iPad mixing is that ability to mix without a FOH position in order to save carrying tables, snakes, etc.
I realize that's just me, but for just me, it's a deal breaker.
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I think it is a very odd duck - and I like QSC products alot.
It is too busy for a small combo, yet not dense enough for most sound pro's.
Everyone is looking for an over-the-shoulder gig bag digital mixer...but this ain't it.
I think it is a very odd duck - and I like QSC products alot.
It is too busy for a small combo, yet not dense enough for most sound pro's.
Everyone is looking for an over-the-shoulder gig bag digital mixer...but this ain't it.