re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
Yep, different target market than most of us play in.
Yep, different target market than most of us play in.
New QSC Product - TouchMix
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re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
I did not see the "Accessory Only" ethernet jack addressed in the marketing materials. Snake system?
I did not see the "Accessory Only" ethernet jack addressed in the marketing materials. Snake system?
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
They do talk about an iPad app, though.
I do like that the life of this product is not dependent on iPads being available X years into the future. Smaller screen on the QSC, but it's included in the purchase price.
They do talk about an iPad app, though.
I do like that the life of this product is not dependent on iPads being available X years into the future. Smaller screen on the QSC, but it's included in the purchase price.
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...or you're doing several acts in a night, and need to be able to recall settings from sound check. That seems to be just about every event I do.
To me this rig disappoints me... it doesn't fit any of my markets. It doesn't have enough inputs/auxes to be useful to me as a medium to big board for me or my crew to use. And its too complex for me to set up for a customer to use. Most of my very small setups are set up, then we show someone how it works and walk away. That's hard enough with faders, but with a touch screen where they can get lost and confused it makes no sense. I just don't understand the target market for something low end, but with no physical faders.
What I *want* at the low end is something like that where the faders are physical, but all the processing is digital. THAT I could set up for a customer, set compressors and eqs, and still be able to show them "up is louder. down is softer" and walk away. A 6 or 8-channel presonus maybe?
...and yeah, I was hoping they were going to put out something targeted at the medium to high end. Oh well.
...or you're doing several acts in a night, and need to be able to recall settings from sound check. That seems to be just about every event I do.
To me this rig disappoints me... it doesn't fit any of my markets. It doesn't have enough inputs/auxes to be useful to me as a medium to big board for me or my crew to use. And its too complex for me to set up for a customer to use. Most of my very small setups are set up, then we show someone how it works and walk away. That's hard enough with faders, but with a touch screen where they can get lost and confused it makes no sense. I just don't understand the target market for something low end, but with no physical faders.
What I *want* at the low end is something like that where the faders are physical, but all the processing is digital. THAT I could set up for a customer, set compressors and eqs, and still be able to show them "up is louder. down is softer" and walk away. A 6 or 8-channel presonus maybe?
...and yeah, I was hoping they were going to put out something targeted at the medium to high end. Oh well.
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
Of course my reply was in reference to the section of this thread about recallable input gain... so in that case, it makes more sense.
Of course my reply was in reference to the section of this thread about recallable input gain... so in that case, it makes more sense.
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
You want what I want for schools. Ashly Audio makes tactile fader controller for their DSP. They are smaller though.
You want what I want for schools. Ashly Audio makes tactile fader controller for their DSP. They are smaller though.
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Yeah, gain is the first "button" I touch. Rarely after the gain is set, do I touch it throughout the night, unless I really underestimated a singer's power, for example. Every minute? Hardly (in my experience)
Also, if I put a 58 on channel 5 and set the gain for venue one, a different 58 in venue 2 with a comparable singer will most likely have the gain set nearly identically.
Re-callable gains would be great for me as I see the same bands maybe quarterly, and have a scene set for them. It would be nice if the gains were re-callable in that situation. Just speeds setup.
frank
Yeah, gain is the first "button" I touch. Rarely after the gain is set, do I touch it throughout the night, unless I really underestimated a singer's power, for example. Every minute? Hardly (in my experience)
Also, if I put a 58 on channel 5 and set the gain for venue one, a different 58 in venue 2 with a comparable singer will most likely have the gain set nearly identically.
Re-callable gains would be great for me as I see the same bands maybe quarterly, and have a scene set for them. It would be nice if the gains were re-callable in that situation. Just speeds setup.
frank
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
I (and most engineers) still want tactile feedback, so they can feel where faders are without having to look at them. Turning knobs on a touchscreen is also a pain, that's why I'd still like to see some knobs as well, but the rest can all be touchscreen for stuff that doesn't have to be manipulated continuously during the show.
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
I find touchscreens to be fine for selecting things, where a "prodding" motion is all that's required, but don't like them at all for anything requiring precise movement. "Fine" controls can help with this, but I still prefer to choose what I want to adjust on the screen, then adjust it on a physical knob. I haven't used enough other digital consoles to make a comparison, but the GLD has a knob just below the screen. You touch a knob on an FX unit GUI on the screen and then change it's settings using the real knob just below it.
Chris
I find touchscreens to be fine for selecting things, where a "prodding" motion is all that's required, but don't like them at all for anything requiring precise movement. "Fine" controls can help with this, but I still prefer to choose what I want to adjust on the screen, then adjust it on a physical knob. I haven't used enough other digital consoles to make a comparison, but the GLD has a knob just below the screen. You touch a knob on an FX unit GUI on the screen and then change it's settings using the real knob just below it.
Chris
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I am really getting to detest new product announcements where the supporting information available when the product is announced leaves so much unanswered. For one thing, are the aux sends selectable not just pre/post fader but also pre/post processing, I don't see anything in the current information that seems to address that and it has been an issue for the Mackie? I did note that the specifications do not seem to include any delay on the inputs or outputs.
With only a 7" touchscreen I am real interested to see all of the screens and just how usable the touchscreeen interface will actually be. Did anyone else note that in the first picture of the TouchMix-16 on TouchMix-16 Compact Digital Mixer the screen shows no way to get to Inputs 9-16? Looks like they may have pasted in the smaller version's screen for the larger mixer. I also did not see any direct access to scene save or recall and it looks like that might take a few steps although maybe the User buttons can be programmed to save and recall scenes or to increment/decrement scenes or to recall a specific scene (e.g. a basic service for a church or a band you mix for often).
I agree, but it seems that the potential context for such a product probably also includes many churches, community theaters, school auditoria/theaters, etc. that may involve the same performance, or at least a 'baseline' presets for general types of performances, in the same venue multiple or even many times. And some of those uses could definitely even involve changes in gain between scenes. Not having recallable preamps seems to be of greatly reduce the effectiveness in those live sound applications, although that may not be clear to many of those who are actually responsible for purchasing new mixers for those uses.
I am really getting to detest new product announcements where the supporting information available when the product is announced leaves so much unanswered. For one thing, are the aux sends selectable not just pre/post fader but also pre/post processing, I don't see anything in the current information that seems to address that and it has been an issue for the Mackie? I did note that the specifications do not seem to include any delay on the inputs or outputs.
With only a 7" touchscreen I am real interested to see all of the screens and just how usable the touchscreeen interface will actually be. Did anyone else note that in the first picture of the TouchMix-16 on TouchMix-16 Compact Digital Mixer the screen shows no way to get to Inputs 9-16? Looks like they may have pasted in the smaller version's screen for the larger mixer. I also did not see any direct access to scene save or recall and it looks like that might take a few steps although maybe the User buttons can be programmed to save and recall scenes or to increment/decrement scenes or to recall a specific scene (e.g. a basic service for a church or a band you mix for often).
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Behringer just made this QSC product redundant and (probably) over-priced.
Behringer: DIGITAL iPAD/TABLET MIXER X18
And of course it has programmable preamps. What's the point, QSC?
Behringer just made this QSC product redundant and (probably) over-priced.
Behringer: DIGITAL iPAD/TABLET MIXER X18
And of course it has programmable preamps. What's the point, QSC?
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The QSC has a big ol' knob, marked Press for fine. I'll be pretty surprised if doesn't do exactly that, control whatever's highlighted.
The QSC has a big ol' knob, marked Press for fine. I'll be pretty surprised if doesn't do exactly that, control whatever's highlighted.
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
Well, for one thing, the QSC works right now and is ready to ship right now. It runs on QSYS more or less, which is proven.
Compare apples to apples. You need an iPad to make the Behringer work. Add that to the cost. Being dependent upon an iPad solves problems but also creates opportunities for failure that fixed hardware will never have. If I want to get something serviced, I would rather deal with Costa Mesa than Vegas.
Well, for one thing, the QSC works right now and is ready to ship right now. It runs on QSYS more or less, which is proven.
Compare apples to apples. You need an iPad to make the Behringer work. Add that to the cost. Being dependent upon an iPad solves problems but also creates opportunities for failure that fixed hardware will never have. If I want to get something serviced, I would rather deal with Costa Mesa than Vegas.
re: New QSC Product - TouchMix
One should never be in a hurry to purchase a newly-released product. Let someone else work out the bugs and see how it fares in the real world first before giving up your hard earned dollars.
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I suppose that is one serious advantage to lower price points; lemmings will by the buggy products for us!
I suppose that is one serious advantage to lower price points; lemmings will by the buggy products for us!
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how do I know it's done? My rep and the communication re orders.
how do I know it works? I know people who have seen it and used it last year.
how do I know it's done? My rep and the communication re orders.
how do I know it works? I know people who have seen it and used it last year.
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Ok, but the point remains. The QSC is not vapor ware or some half finished thing. It is what it is supposed to be NOW and it is working now.
Ok, but the point remains. The QSC is not vapor ware or some half finished thing. It is what it is supposed to be NOW and it is working now.