New QSC Product - TouchMix
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Anyone have any guess as to why they didn't include recallable gains?
Anyone have any guess as to why they didn't include recallable gains?
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Up until the X32 that technology was quite expensive. Dunno how Behringer made it cheap but nobody else has been able to yet.
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Weren't other people doing it before? We have had this long before the X32 in DSP mixers/processors. Even the Symetrix Jupiter had it. The only thing I remember being expensive was digitally controlled analog preamps in analog consoles.
Weren't other people doing it before? We have had this long before the X32 in DSP mixers/processors. Even the Symetrix Jupiter had it. The only thing I remember being expensive was digitally controlled analog preamps in analog consoles.
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That's what the X32 has (digitally controlled analog preamps), what were you talking about?
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Yamaha PM5000 with preamp recall option was pricey. Euphonix CS's were pricey.
There have been plenty of recallable preamps in digital mixers before X32. Allen & Heath, Symetrix, Yamaha, Roland and many others had digital control of analog preamps. There were others using digital trim more or less.
Yamaha PM5000 with preamp recall option was pricey. Euphonix CS's were pricey.
There have been plenty of recallable preamps in digital mixers before X32. Allen & Heath, Symetrix, Yamaha, Roland and many others had digital control of analog preamps. There were others using digital trim more or less.
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Exactly. The question was why the inexpensive QSC doesn't have them.
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To accommodate bands with guitar modelers, electronic keys, e-drums, and samplers but refuse to balance the level of their patches?
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To accommodate bands with guitar modelers, electronic keys, e-drums, and samplers but refuse to balance the level of their patches?
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I find recallable gains useful to give me a quick start point on a band I do often.
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I find recallable gains useful to give me a quick start point on a band I do often.
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The idea for me back in the day for getting a digital board for the studio was 'total recall.' if your first gain stage has a knob that can be changed and not reliably reset..it makes no sense to me. Plus if you are mixing remotely you need that control. I want to set my gain from a listening position.
Plus islet something happens and someone stumbles into the board, it gets touched in setup, tear down...whenever.
The idea for me back in the day for getting a digital board for the studio was 'total recall.' if your first gain stage has a knob that can be changed and not reliably reset..it makes no sense to me. Plus if you are mixing remotely you need that control. I want to set my gain from a listening position.
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Truthfully my view may be biased by too many years of bluegrass festivals with six minute changeovers, but I have found that with a band and mics I know, I can set all the gains on a system I haven't heard before after hearing one of them. Often I could make a good guess after just seeing where the festival tech had set the gains for sm58s.
These days in the club, if the line check sound check wasn't a comfort piece for the band, I could (and have) done without. I am confident I can set everything for a full five piece band using my mics blind, just leaving the bass di and keyboards as the things needing tweaking.
That puts recallable gains in the "nice to have" category, not the "deal breaker" category, especially since we are talking about micro sized boards with limited numbers of inputs.
In other words, if it is there, great I will use it. If it is not there, I am not going to loss sleep over it.
Its like the long list of "features" on a new truck. If they are included in the package I want great, if not I am not going running off to another manufacturer.
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Truthfully my view may be biased by too many years of bluegrass festivals with six minute changeovers, but I have found that with a band and mics I know, I can set all the gains on a system I haven't heard before after hearing one of them. Often I could make a good guess after just seeing where the festival tech had set the gains for sm58s.
These days in the club, if the line check sound check wasn't a comfort piece for the band, I could (and have) done without. I am confident I can set everything for a full five piece band using my mics blind, just leaving the bass di and keyboards as the things needing tweaking.
That puts recallable gains in the "nice to have" category, not the "deal breaker" category, especially since we are talking about micro sized boards with limited numbers of inputs.
In other words, if it is there, great I will use it. If it is not there, I am not going to loss sleep over it.
Its like the long list of "features" on a new truck. If they are included in the package I want great, if not I am not going running off to another manufacturer.
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Right on. How would you guys do it with analog? I go back to my point...its only 16 channels. It is a micro mixer. If you need it to do your job, what does that say?
Right on. How would you guys do it with analog? I go back to my point...its only 16 channels. It is a micro mixer. If you need it to do your job, what does that say?
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Yeah guys, throw your lighters away cause rubbing sticks together is just as good when making fire...
Yeah guys, throw your lighters away cause rubbing sticks together is just as good when making fire...
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I'm taking this as a challenge to find a band/form a band that you CAN'T set blind and you have to take the time to work through... might take a while...
I'm taking this as a challenge to find a band/form a band that you CAN'T set blind and you have to take the time to work through... might take a while...
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I had one last weekend. Bragged about no stage volume and just like I said before every patch on every instrument varied largely every song. I think the kick channel mapped out a full 180 of settings.
But knowing your mics and your system goes a long way towards making things easy.
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I had one last weekend. Bragged about no stage volume and just like I said before every patch on every instrument varied largely every song. I think the kick channel mapped out a full 180 of settings.
But knowing your mics and your system goes a long way towards making things easy.
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For Christ's sake, the reason it doesn't have recallable preamps is surely because they would have significantly increased the cost. You can't honestly tell me you're going to take this tiny mixer and program a whole shitload of gain changes into it for a festival or something? It's only 16 channels! What could you possibly be planning to use it for where complete automation is a necessity? Next you're going to tell me the PM5D is worthless. Everything can't be all things to everybody, QSC probably did a little research before deciding what the feature set was going to be. This mixer is not for you, that's fine, there's lots of things out there that aren't for me as well but you don't hear me bitching about the poor passenger capacity of the Viper SRT10!
For Christ's sake, the reason it doesn't have recallable preamps is surely because they would have significantly increased the cost. You can't honestly tell me you're going to take this tiny mixer and program a whole shitload of gain changes into it for a festival or something? It's only 16 channels! What could you possibly be planning to use it for where complete automation is a necessity? Next you're going to tell me the PM5D is worthless. Everything can't be all things to everybody, QSC probably did a little research before deciding what the feature set was going to be. This mixer is not for you, that's fine, there's lots of things out there that aren't for me as well but you don't hear me bitching about the poor passenger capacity of the Viper SRT10!
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My only point was that a "bar has been set" even in the 16 channel market and Qsc in my opinion released a product under the bar. I don't care one way or another, I'm just commenting (in my opinion) that they are a day late and a dollar short in releasing a "digital mixer" without recallable preamps, the same reason why the mackie mixer became an artifact. I also have an opinion that Qsc shouldn't have released a mixer period, it's not their strong suit, but hey I'm sure I'll get strung up for that too...
My only point was that a "bar has been set" even in the 16 channel market and Qsc in my opinion released a product under the bar. I don't care one way or another, I'm just commenting (in my opinion) that they are a day late and a dollar short in releasing a "digital mixer" without recallable preamps, the same reason why the mackie mixer became an artifact. I also have an opinion that Qsc shouldn't have released a mixer period, it's not their strong suit, but hey I'm sure I'll get strung up for that too...
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Problem is this...MOST bands I know running their own sound have one or more members using IEM's. Tell that doesn't matter!
Problem is this...MOST bands I know running their own sound have one or more members using IEM's. Tell that doesn't matter!
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I don't get that. If someone adjusts the gain whether it is digitally controlled or analog controlled, it is going to affect the mix in the ears. If the bands are running their own sound, there shouldn't be anyone messing with it while they are playing. If they do, having presets is kind of meaningless, isn't it? There has been a change from the preset. People were running their own sound and using in ears before digital mixers with recallable pres. It is amazing we made it this far, I guess.
I don't get that. If someone adjusts the gain whether it is digitally controlled or analog controlled, it is going to affect the mix in the ears. If the bands are running their own sound, there shouldn't be anyone messing with it while they are playing. If they do, having presets is kind of meaningless, isn't it? There has been a change from the preset. People were running their own sound and using in ears before digital mixers with recallable pres. It is amazing we made it this far, I guess.