System expansion quandry
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I don't know. I'm not a certified bean counter, after all.
It was actually a cool construction; it was plexi against concrete with a 4" space in the center, held on by aluminum piping every 2' in a square grid pattern, plus a ----ton of beans.
Someone qualified should do the math for it, though. I'll do it if I have time during a corporate style gig or something; the keynotes are terrifyingly boring at the recent ones.
I don't know. I'm not a certified bean counter, after all.
It was actually a cool construction; it was plexi against concrete with a 4" space in the center, held on by aluminum piping every 2' in a square grid pattern, plus a ----ton of beans.
Someone qualified should do the math for it, though. I'll do it if I have time during a corporate style gig or something; the keynotes are terrifyingly boring at the recent ones.
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Back to the OP
What about the yorkville unity box? You could possibly find some 215's used for that price?
Back to the OP
What about the yorkville unity box? You could possibly find some 215's used for that price?
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Big difference in output between the U215 and SLS. Unity sounds nice but I don't think they'd cut it in SPL.
Big difference in output between the U215 and SLS. Unity sounds nice but I don't think they'd cut it in SPL.
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Hey Folks,
Just a followup. I'm still looking and thinking and comparing.
The SLS960s are probably still in the lead, but some other cabinets have got my attention as well. One thing I thought about..when I was in Germany there was a company called Seeburg who were actually not far from my house. I used to rent a rig from them on many occasions and was always impressed with it. Construction quality was fantastic and the thought that went into the details was obvious. They handled well, stacked cleanly, transported nicely and sounded great. Since I hadn't looked at Seeburg's product line in a while, I took a look at their web page and what do I find beyond a plethora of tall, skinny speakers and the ubiquitous line arrays? A double 12" horn loaded cabinet that seems to be everything I'm looking for. Its light, loud, has a tight pattern, arrays well, is efficient and includes some of the best integrated flying hardware I've ever seen. Now if I could only figure out where to get the required $3500 a box plus overseas freight costs......drat, drat, double drat.....
Attached is the spec sheet.View attachment K24_Datenbl_engl-1.pdf
Hey Folks,
Just a followup. I'm still looking and thinking and comparing.
The SLS960s are probably still in the lead, but some other cabinets have got my attention as well. One thing I thought about..when I was in Germany there was a company called Seeburg who were actually not far from my house. I used to rent a rig from them on many occasions and was always impressed with it. Construction quality was fantastic and the thought that went into the details was obvious. They handled well, stacked cleanly, transported nicely and sounded great. Since I hadn't looked at Seeburg's product line in a while, I took a look at their web page and what do I find beyond a plethora of tall, skinny speakers and the ubiquitous line arrays? A double 12" horn loaded cabinet that seems to be everything I'm looking for. Its light, loud, has a tight pattern, arrays well, is efficient and includes some of the best integrated flying hardware I've ever seen. Now if I could only figure out where to get the required $3500 a box plus overseas freight costs......drat, drat, double drat.....
Attached is the spec sheet.View attachment K24_Datenbl_engl-1.pdf
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Hey Jeff,
Nice idea, but as BJ noted, they don't have the output and are physically larger than I wanted. I used to have a pair of the Unity 115s, or whatever the single 15" driver version is called. They sounded nice but didn't get particularly loud and didn't fit with the concept of a small efficient top over a single 18 sub.
Thanks for the idea. Keep them coming. There area bunch of boxes out there I haven't thought of.
Ciao
Simon
Hey Jeff,
Nice idea, but as BJ noted, they don't have the output and are physically larger than I wanted. I used to have a pair of the Unity 115s, or whatever the single 15" driver version is called. They sounded nice but didn't get particularly loud and didn't fit with the concept of a small efficient top over a single 18 sub.
Thanks for the idea. Keep them coming. There area bunch of boxes out there I haven't thought of.
Ciao
Simon
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Another vote here for used KF650e or KF650isr. Having previously owned/used such a rig MANY times I have never been disappointed with its performance.
4 cabs for 4K is doable if you search a bit
They are a bit on the heavy side, though they are right in the same range as the SLS960. 2 man lift is strongly preferred, but you can do it yourself in a pinch so long as you are careful.
2 per side sounds very good (AMAZING good if you use the UX8800 processor) and has lots of output, and is a more well known and respected box than the Community.
I honestly don't think it is possible to buy a respectable rig with that kind of output that will sound better for less money than a used 650 rig. I have not heard the SLS960 but having heard SLS920's I don't think they are sonically quite in the same league.
My 2c
Another vote here for used KF650e or KF650isr. Having previously owned/used such a rig MANY times I have never been disappointed with its performance.
4 cabs for 4K is doable if you search a bit
They are a bit on the heavy side, though they are right in the same range as the SLS960. 2 man lift is strongly preferred, but you can do it yourself in a pinch so long as you are careful.
2 per side sounds very good (AMAZING good if you use the UX8800 processor) and has lots of output, and is a more well known and respected box than the Community.
I honestly don't think it is possible to buy a respectable rig with that kind of output that will sound better for less money than a used 650 rig. I have not heard the SLS960 but having heard SLS920's I don't think they are sonically quite in the same league.
My 2c
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This eBay seller is selling sls920 and kf650e.
eBay number 261372869599 and 261405738785
This eBay seller is selling sls920 and kf650e.
eBay number 261372869599 and 261405738785
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The SLS920 is not in the same league unfortunately. The horn on the Mids is too small in my opinion and it ends up being a little honky. The 8's also do fine at low to mid volumes, but when you really lay in to them the mid/high section just outruns the lows. You need a mid bass cab for high SPL stuff.
I did something silly yesterday and brought 4 SLS960's in to a 400 cap church hall for a national artist. Loudest show I've done in a while- headliner engineer was pushing 112dBa with peaks of 117dBa at FOH. Best part? PL6.0 driving the SLS960's was showing signal, wincing -20 on the peaks. Love that efficiency.
Evan
The SLS920 is not in the same league unfortunately. The horn on the Mids is too small in my opinion and it ends up being a little honky. The 8's also do fine at low to mid volumes, but when you really lay in to them the mid/high section just outruns the lows. You need a mid bass cab for high SPL stuff.
I did something silly yesterday and brought 4 SLS960's in to a 400 cap church hall for a national artist. Loudest show I've done in a while- headliner engineer was pushing 112dBa with peaks of 117dBa at FOH. Best part? PL6.0 driving the SLS960's was showing signal, wincing -20 on the peaks. Love that efficiency.
Evan
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Are those one ton points in the ceiling you hung the stacks from?
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Are those one ton points in the ceiling you hung the stacks from?
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The picture doesn't show up in quotes.. LOL.. I didn't think orange straps were strong enough to rig with
The picture doesn't show up in quotes.. LOL.. I didn't think orange straps were strong enough to rig with
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They match the Orange 4x12"s though, fashion is important ;^).
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"Although the DSL SM80 may be ideal for smaller shows, and is light (50 pounds), the pattern limits it to only 2 a side, and rolling off below 200 Hz, it does not have enough low mid guts for larger shows, and with an 80 degree conical pattern needs to be up really high to not burn ears up close."
My brief experience with the SM 80 I have not noticed a lack of "low mid guts" at high SPL. I have been using them paired with the TH- 118 in a 600 capacity ballroom where I previously ran SRX 715/722. The increased sound quality and overall performance over my SRX system is everything I hoped it would be.
"Although the DSL SM80 may be ideal for smaller shows, and is light (50 pounds), the pattern limits it to only 2 a side, and rolling off below 200 Hz, it does not have enough low mid guts for larger shows, and with an 80 degree conical pattern needs to be up really high to not burn ears up close."
My brief experience with the SM 80 I have not noticed a lack of "low mid guts" at high SPL. I have been using them paired with the TH- 118 in a 600 capacity ballroom where I previously ran SRX 715/722. The increased sound quality and overall performance over my SRX system is everything I hoped it would be.
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That's my idea of Enough Rig For The Gig
I like it
That's my idea of Enough Rig For The Gig
I like it
System advantages/disadvantages
"High SPL" is relative, so quite understandable to not have noticed any lack of <200 Hz in a hotel ballroom, especially if the (more than adequate) subs are covering most of the acoustical response in that region, and the stage volume does not require the system "keeping up".
The increased off axis coherency of the co-ax horn loaded midrange response from the SH-80 certainly could be a sonic advantage over the front loaded JBL SRX 715 or 722, even though it has around 7 dB less output potential at 100 Hz than the JBLs (which require more power to achieve the level) or around 14 dB less than a pair of CLS960s, or my Paraline vertical array with fourteen horn loaded 8".
Different venues, acts and environmental conditions all place different demands on systems, it is interesting to compare the advantages/disadvantages of each.
Depending on the requirements, each of the three pictured below are clear "winners"- or not.
Art
Jonathan,
"High SPL" is relative, so quite understandable to not have noticed any lack of <200 Hz in a hotel ballroom, especially if the (more than adequate) subs are covering most of the acoustical response in that region, and the stage volume does not require the system "keeping up".
The increased off axis coherency of the co-ax horn loaded midrange response from the SH-80 certainly could be a sonic advantage over the front loaded JBL SRX 715 or 722, even though it has around 7 dB less output potential at 100 Hz than the JBLs (which require more power to achieve the level) or around 14 dB less than a pair of CLS960s, or my Paraline vertical array with fourteen horn loaded 8".
Different venues, acts and environmental conditions all place different demands on systems, it is interesting to compare the advantages/disadvantages of each.
Depending on the requirements, each of the three pictured below are clear "winners"- or not.
Art
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Art, I really appreciate you turning his stacks upside down. :roll:
Art, I really appreciate you turning his stacks upside down. :roll:
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Most Junior Varsity players can't afford rigging costs, just thought an "evan" playing field was appropriate ;^).
Most Junior Varsity players can't afford rigging costs, just thought an "evan" playing field was appropriate ;^).
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Question about your subs.
You're using 1 Crest 9200 for 4 single JBL 18's? 2200 Watts for a SRX728 is a lot underpowered. I would almost wonder if I would rather have 2 th118's with the same amp and get better results.. negating the need to buy another pair of subs.
Question about your subs.
You're using 1 Crest 9200 for 4 single JBL 18's? 2200 Watts for a SRX728 is a lot underpowered. I would almost wonder if I would rather have 2 th118's with the same amp and get better results.. negating the need to buy another pair of subs.