X32 Discussion

Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Shane Presley said:
Would it not be possible to just use and adjust only the on board gain on the x32 and ignore the snake pres while using the snake? I don't have mine yet, and if this is going to be an issue, I might just stick with a regular snake, or use the monitor console as the point of input and cat 5 out to foh from there.... This issue should be addressed (behringer).
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Then a channels on X32 are routed to a S16, gain knob on X32 adjust the gain on S16.

Problem is then you want to MOVE your sets of 8 physical mic to other inputs and change the routing. You don't get gain values and 18V with you and have to adjust them again from X32.

You can do this routingtest internally on your X32 and have same results.
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Shane Presley said:
Thanks John for the reply... But as per the previous posters concern, are the preamp settings ( both the console and the s16) saved scene by scene... Can someone take a scene used 3 months ago, plug in a different s16, and have all the preamp settings recalled.?
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Everything are saved in the scene.
But you have to have the same setup as last time, if you use a different S16 doesn't matter.

If you had a S16 last time and you have analog snake next time (internal preamp), you can't have all the preamp settings recalled.
 
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Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Shane Presley said:
Thanks John for the reply... But as per the previous posters concern, are the preamp settings ( both the console and the s16) saved scene by scene... Can someone take a scene used 3 months ago, plug in a different s16, and have all the preamp settings recalled.?
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Hi Shane,
Preamp settings are saved by scene. If a scene is setup and saved with a S16 (AES50) inputs, and you recall it later with an S16, preamp gain would be restored. It wouldn't matter if it was the same S16, so long as it was connected to the same AES50 port on the X32 so that routing would be consistant (and as usual the connection at the S16 was to the A port). From this point, if you changed routing on the to Local inputs, the mic gain would revert back to wherever it was previously set for the local inputs.

Hi Jörgen,
Thank you for your detailed response. We greatly value and consider our customer's feedback.
On that note, I strongly encourage everyone to also post your specific feature requests to our BEHRINGER Forum's X32 section. You can click here to get to the X32 Feature Request thread. In this way, we can be sure your comments are always heard.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

John DiNicola said:
Hi Jörgen,
Thank you for your detailed response. We greatly value and consider our customer's feedback.
On that note, I strongly encourage everyone to also post your specific feature requests to our BEHRINGER Forum's X32 section. You can click here to get to the X32 Feature Request thread. In this way, we can be sure your comments are always heard.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Hi John
Thank you for your response.
I thought I was doing something wrong then I start to use S16 and there havn't been so much info on this forum about using S16.
And I was curious how other users have used their S16. I like to here more comments before I put this on Behringers wish list.

It seems as X32 saves gain settings for all inputs (X32 + 3 S16 on AES50A + 3 S16 on AES50B).
Then you routing to other block X32 use these gain settings.

Are there any benefits to store them all instead of loading a new scene with new routing and gain values?
If X32 has 32 mic channels there's no need to store more than 32 gain values. A new scene have new gain values if you want.

Have I missed something?

Beside from this issue I think S16 are great complement to X32. CAT5 instead of the analog snake makes things go much smother.

Best Regards
Jörgen
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

I posted on those Behringer vs Presonus videos 2 days ago pointing out what the guy had missed or what he wasnt doing right. They have comments set to approved after reviewed. Needless to say none of my comments were passed.
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Jack Keaton said:
I posted on those Behringer vs Presonus videos 2 days ago pointing out what the guy had missed or what he wasnt doing right. They have comments set to approved after reviewed. Needless to say none of my comments were passed.
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Ditto .. It's a bullshit marketing comparison, nothing fair and unbiased at all.
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

John DiNicola said:
Hi Shane,
Preamp settings are saved by scene. If a scene is setup and saved with a S16 (AES50) inputs, and you recall it later with an S16, preamp gain would be restored. It wouldn't matter if it was the same S16, so long as it was connected to the same AES50 port on the X32 so that routing would be consistant (and as usual the connection at the S16 was to the A port). From this point, if you changed routing on the to Local inputs, the mic gain would revert back to wherever it was previously set for the local inputs.

Hi Jörgen,
Thank you for your detailed response. We greatly value and consider our customer's feedback.
On that note, I strongly encourage everyone to also post your specific feature requests to our BEHRINGER Forum's X32 section. You can click here to get to the X32 Feature Request thread. In this way, we can be sure your comments are always heard.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Hi John,
I don't have my X32/S16 system yet (coming soon!) so I can't actually test this issue, but it is quite important to me, so I want to make sure exactly what happens. Lets say I have two S16s, one on the left of the stage and one on the right. My first performance the lead singer is on the left of the stage and say gets plugged into S16a.2, I have S16a.2 assigned to channel strip 2. The next performance the lead singer is on the right side of the stage and is plugged into S16b.9. What I want to do is keep the lead singer on the same channel strip and change the routing. Are you saying that when I do this the preamp setting I had before for channel strip 2 is lost and I get whatever random setting was on the preamp for S16b.9? If I want the same setting I had before for my lead singer I have to remember what is was before and manually adjust the channel strip gain?

In a closely related area, when you save a scene which includes preamp gain, is it the gain of the physical preamp, or the gain in the channel strip?

Thanks,

John S.
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

John Swenson said:
Hi John,
I don't have my X32/S16 system yet (coming soon!) so I can't actually test this issue, but it is quite important to me, so I want to make sure exactly what happens. Lets say I have two S16s, one on the left of the stage and one on the right. My first performance the lead singer is on the left of the stage and say gets plugged into S16a.2, I have S16a.2 assigned to channel strip 2. The next performance the lead singer is on the right side of the stage and is plugged into S16b.9. What I want to do is keep the lead singer on the same channel strip and change the routing. Are you saying that when I do this the preamp setting I had before for channel strip 2 is lost and I get whatever random setting was on the preamp for S16b.9? If I want the same setting I had before for my lead singer I have to remember what is was before and manually adjust the channel strip gain?

In a closely related area, when you save a scene which includes preamp gain, is it the gain of the physical preamp, or the gain in the channel strip?

Thanks,

John S.
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The preamp gain follows the physical input and not the channel strip, which make sense.

You might have some low-output sm58 on s16a2 and a higher output c1000 on s16b9. It would be a disaster to keep the same preamp gain.

This would also be no different to route channels internally on the console itself. Let's say that you have no s16 but you have the same scenario with the mics plugged into in17 and in25 on the x32. You would never expect the preamp gain to follow the channel strip routing, and I can't recall any other console doing this either.

Another similar scenario would be multiple s16's on a multiband night where each band uses a dedicated set of s16’s. When you re-route the channel strips you wouldn't want the preamp gain copied from the first band using the same channels strips...

As for random preamp settings...? All physical inputs should always be setup for proper gain structure for its intended use.

When you say gain-saving I assume you mean the preamp and the digital trim. Both are being saved.
 
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Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

John Swenson said:
Hi John,
I don't have my X32/S16 system yet (coming soon!) so I can't actually test this issue, but it is quite important to me, so I want to make sure exactly what happens. Lets say I have two S16s, one on the left of the stage and one on the right. My first performance the lead singer is on the left of the stage and say gets plugged into S16a.2, I have S16a.2 assigned to channel strip 2. The next performance the lead singer is on the right side of the stage and is plugged into S16b.9. What I want to do is keep the lead singer on the same channel strip and change the routing. Are you saying that when I do this the preamp setting I had before for channel strip 2 is lost and I get whatever random setting was on the preamp for S16b.9? If I want the same setting I had before for my lead singer I have to remember what is was before and manually adjust the channel strip gain?

In a closely related area, when you save a scene which includes preamp gain, is it the gain of the physical preamp, or the gain in the channel strip?

Thanks,

John S.
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I talked about routing input blocks of 8 channels in Routing page. This is not the issue I was talking about. This is another one.

In this case you don't change input blocks of 8 channels in Routing page. If the 8-channel block (ch9-16 on S16b) are active you only have to change source on Configtab for channelstrip. But you get the gain that already is set on S16b.9.
Here I can think of a new function where you are able to switch source for 2 channel strips and switch gain settings as well.

On X32:
Press Select button for channel 2
Press enable switch-command
Press Select button for channel that have S16b.9

Summary: If you move physical outboard gear between mic premps. You need to copy all settings as well. Today you do it manually.
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Robert Lofgren said:
You might have some low-output sm58 on s16a2 and a higher output c1000 on s16b9. It would be a disaster to keep the same preamp gain.
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But if you physically move sm58 to S16b9 and c1000 to S16a2 I suppose you also want to move gain settings. I can't find that function today other than doing it manually.

This would also be no different to route channels internally on the console itself. Let's say that you have no s16 but you have the same scenario with the mics plugged into in17 and in25 on the x32. You would never expect the preamp gain to follow the channel strip routing, and I can't recall any other console doing this either.
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This isn't "any other console", it's a game changer. Why are routing like this. Say you have a singer with a sm58 on one input. If you want to move him to another input you like to have all settings with you.
If you copy singer channel and paste on a new location you got all settings. But when you are on another channel. When you route you lose gain settings.

Another similar scenario would be multiple s16's on a multiband night where each band uses a dedicated set of s16’s. When you re-route the channel strips you wouldn't want the preamp gain copied from the first band using the same channels strips...
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I can't thinking of ONLY doing re-route between bands. This has to be included in a scenario together with gain settings for this set of inputs and all other settings.

Sound check first band with a set of S16, save to scene1. In scene1 you also have gain settings for S16 you don't use. Why? We only have to know gain settings for this scene.
Route to other S16 and change gain during sound check second band, save to scene2. In scene2 you also have gain settings for S16 you don't use, including them from scene1. Why?
We only have to know gain settings for this scene.

During showtime: Recall scene1, everything is how it was when you saved scene1. But you don't need gain settings for second band right now. Then you load scene2 for second band you got them.

As for random preamp settings...? All physical inputs should always be setup for proper gain structure for its intended use.
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Physical inputs that you havn't used can be at any gain. And if you route a channelstrip that had proper gain to such inputs you have to adjust gain again.

Maybe I'm oversee something. Perhaps there are situations then you benefit from not using a scene change and routing directly between several S16 and have induvidual gain settings for all of them.
Then you need to have all values saved. Anybody have an idea...
 
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Re: X32 Discussion

Jon Malmstrom said:
I am checking the AppStore om My iPad several times every day waiting for Santa...
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It's pretty clear to me that Apple also took Christmas off - app updates pretty much stopped last week and are just now starting to trickle back out. Hopefully it's in the channel and just a matter of time now...
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Jörgen Gustavsson said:
Sound check first band with a set of S16, save to scene1. In scene1 you also have gain settings for S16 you don't use. Why? We only have to know gain settings for this scene.
Route to other S16 and change gain during sound check second band, save to scene2. In scene2 you also have gain settings for S16 you don't use, including them from scene1. Why?
We only have to know gain settings for this scene.
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In my typical scenario, I might have 60 inputs that will be used at various places in the show, swapping between different configurations and patchings, but troughout the show, each physical input will be connected to the same source and will therefore have the same gain requirement all the time. The input settings from scene 1 that are not being used in scene 2 and 3 but will return for scene 4 shouldn't disappear just because they are not being used, only when they are changed for that physical input.
Whether they are stored or not in the intervening scenes is of no real consequence, and either way should work depending on what scenario you device for possible intervening actions like scene swapping and such things that might or might not screw up the settings.
I can't think of a scheme that would work in a wide variety of scenarios and not be inconvenient in other scenarios, and any scheme that would specifically suit one special case scenario might likely be horrible for others. Not having to redo gain and phantom when you make a physical repatch seems to me like one of the unlikely features we could ask for.
If you envision having to handle one particular scenario, make presets for it, that is what the presets are for.
 
Re: Dual S16 Stageboxes question

I have two S16 stageboxes set up with the X32 as master controller. Everything works fine, but the 'lower' S16 displays channel 1-16, the same as the 'upper' stagebox. Both boxes function correctly, with the physical inputs 1-16 on the top box, and 17-32 on the bottom, but I can't find a way to get the bottom unit to display the correct channel numbers when using the rotary channel selection knob on that unit. Am I missing something or this a normal function? Thanks in advance for any help. -Rob
 
Re: Dual S16 Stageboxes question

Shane Presley said:
Rob, YouTube is your friend.... Not sure if Behringer posted their webinar, or it would be in the manual.
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YouTube has been unfriendly. Behringer has not issued the S16 webinar yet. My question was not addressed in the user manual that came with the S16.
 
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