X32 Discussion

[Per Søvik]

Re: old scenes

PRi

What advise did I ignore? Please inform me. I didn't ask for sympathy. I was trying. To get answers. Most people are very helpful and if its something I don't understand or is my fault I'm first to say so. Thanks for you input other than the b.s I do appreciate your input and I'm sorry I didn't get it right the first time you Mr perfect. I'm done with this.conversation go put down someone else.

Far from mr. Perfect (allthough Per is short for Perfect :lol: ), I have made all the mistakes and tried all the stupid ways, and am trying to share what I have learned.

Igave you the following advice: " If the show that contains the scenes isn't already backed up to USB-stick, load the show and export it.
Import the show to XControl, load and save all scenes, and export the show to file (on the USB-stick)
Load the newly exported show on the X32, and all scenes should now be working."

This method works for show and scene files of any generation, but I have not verified that the scenes work in the newest firmware. For scenes that predates some updates, the changed item might be affected, like trims that were saved when trim was +-6dB if I remember correctly.
The other changes to the files is that some lines have got a tap point added and the matrixes have got a line added for the polarity switch. None of these changes should affect the way the scene comes up on the console with the exeption of channels with trim (if I remeber correctly)

 

[Jeremy Honsman]

Re: old scenes

Far from mr. Perfect (allthough Per is short for Perfect :lol: ), I have made all the mistakes and tried all the stupid ways, and am trying to share what I have learned.

Igave you the following advice: " If the show that contains the scenes isn't already backed up to USB-stick, load the show and export it.
Import the show to XControl, load and save all scenes, and export the show to file (on the USB-stick)
Load the newly exported show on the X32, and all scenes should now be working."

This method works for show and scene files of any generation, but I have not verified that the scenes work in the newest firmware. For scenes that predates some updates, the changed item might be affected, like trims that were saved when trim was +-6dB if I remember correctly.
The other changes to the files is that some lines have got a tap point added and the matrixes have got a line added for the polarity switch. None of these changes should affect the way the scene comes up on the console with the exeption of channels with trim (if I remeber correctly)

i dont remeber seeing this , thanks per i will try this and report back sorry for the hositlity I guess i should be in the grade school class . not jv haha.

 

[Mark Petersen]

Feature Request (Effects)

While we're on the subject of feature requests, how about some true dual mono effects. For me, the devs could even just add the ability to run the existing dual effects in PARALLEL mode, as opposed to SERIES like they are now. When I do a long delay effect, I don't need a bunch of rev or chorus along with it. Now, I know on a couple of the effects units you can modify the ballance between, for instance, delay and chamber, so you'd only have delay in this case. But they still take up 2 effects slots for 1 effect. I mix alot of rock bands. I'd love to see a completely independant dual delay where I could run a 235ms slap with 10% feedback on channel 1, and a 775ms special with 85% feedback on channel 2. Think Billy Idol, Rebel Yell: "MORE......MORE..........MORE...........MORE...........more............more........."

Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks all,
Mark

 

[Jean-Michel Ballu]

Studio Recording...

Hello
I recorded drums today to go on with a record project. X32 firewire was not usable, so i used USB . Nuendo 5.55 32bits is the DAW.
First thing : very impressed about latency and then it was very easy to punch in/out (Dell Laptop V3750 /I5 /W7-64b/ 8gb RAM, 7200 hard drive).

I recorded 14 tracks at a time all along the day (punching and so ...) and no issue ... with about between 30 and 45 tracks listening (returning to the X32 into 8 inputs).
About the sound, excepting the noise with the headphone output, we'll see when mixing but so far, very impressive...

I know some people already talked about that digital noise and the solution seem to move a cable inside the desk... Should anybody give the "how to" ?
I would like to solve that issue by myself but with some help if possible...
Thanks a lot ....

 

[Antoon van den Oetelaar]

wifi

Some nights I have a good connection with my ipad (retina) other nights it's a pain.
Even at the same location I have sometimes good reception, and on another evening not. Last time I did reboot my router a couple of times, at home this always solved the problem, but this time not.

I got connection and as can be seen in the photo's the meters besides the fader are updated, but the scribble keeps empty for a very long time, at last after a lot of switching this was also filled. Also sometimes some!! faders are not responding while others do... You can see on the ipad they have lost connection somehow.

If you look at channel 8, I see some skin fault, do others have also this box and pointer around the pan?

 

[Jean-Michel Ballu]

Re: X32 Discussion

hello,

Is there any possibility to get that fix? My X32 got noise also with the headphone and some inputs..

Best regards

 

[Mark Petersen]

Re: wifi

I can't comment on your wifi problems other than to say it sounds like maybe you have something interfering with your connection. Have you tried switching the wifi channel or frequency? As for the pointer on the selected pan control, from what I can tell this is normal behavior. There should be a highlight box showing a pointer around the pan control you currently have selected. It should move, or go away, when you release, or move to another, pan control.
Good luck!

 

[Uwe Riemer]

Re: old scenes

Did you load the scenes from a USB or just from the board? Maybe I screwed it.up.I don't know

Hi Jeremy,

I see that you are already in good hands, Per has a sharp tongue and a sharp mind ~~:smile:
and to answer your question: We had no need for the backup USB stick, everything was there.

Have you checked the scene safe parameters on your console ?

 

[Dan Mortensen]

Re: X32 Discussion

hello,

Is there any possibility to get that fix? My X32 got noise also with the headphone and some inputs..

Best regards

Thank you for asking this question again.

The last time it came up in this thread (although not at the several times it came up earlier), Chase from Behringer Service wrote and said to contact him and the problem could be fixed. I did so, and we agreed that rather than sending three consoles to Las Vegas for a 15 minute repair (each), he found a service center about 40 miles from me who could do it, and he arranged an RA for the fix for three consoles.

I just got back from driving 88 miles and spending 3 hours to find out that Behringer Service sent the local place a procedure for solving the Channel 16/32 noise problem, and not a procedure to solve the headphone/monitor noise problem. The local guy verified that my console didn't have a 16/32 noise problem, which I knew already.

Behringer Service in Las Vegas is closed today for the holiday, so there was nothing more to be done today. I will contact Chase tomorrow to see where we can go from here.

Jean-Michel, does your console also have input channel noise? Is it only on channels 16 and 32, or is it on others? I'm not aware of a known issue on other channels, but I might be wrong. Input noise and headphone/monitor noise are two separate problems AFAIK.

Good luck getting yours fixed.

Edit: Here is the one good thing to result from this trip: pics of the insides of the console.

 

[Dan Mortensen]

Fun With Wireless Routers and XiControl

In happier X32 news (compared to post #4448), my son the computer programmer was over yesterday and we figured out one really cool thing that has a few cool results. If someone else has figured this out already and so it's common knowledge, my apologies for replowing the field.

First, some background:

A) I sincerely think the newest XiControl is wonderful and adds so much flexibility to the console that using it in one way or another(whether one or more iPads or other tablet devices) will be Standard Operating Procedure for us at all our events. Therefore, one or more iPads will always be present with each console present, which means multiple wireless routers (one for each console).

B) Most of my gigs are one-offs, where we see that particular group or groups for the first time, or the first time in a long time. Often there are opening artists that are different than what was advanced, or newly added artists and therefore not advanced, or some other combination of factors that means you are figuring out at the last second what is needed and how you are going to fill that need in the no time available. A big worry moving to a digital console, and maybe particularly this one, is the lack of scribble strip for pen/sharpie on the console. Yes, you can put tape anywhere, but it has such a nice read-out, so why not use that?

What we came up with is running an additional Ethernet cable (besides the one going from FOH to monitor console) from one wireless router to the other one, thereby linking them together. This lets you do several things:

1) The range for your iPad (or whatever) is immediately extended, as the farther router acts as a remote antenna for the nearer one. This could be good in situations where you get much closer to the farther one or if an RF-blocking metal structure gets between you and your normal router;

2) When using a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPad (or whatever) to quickly rename your inputs (as I described earlier in post #3978 on p. 199), you can go to the Setup page in XiControl and change the IP address of the X32 you are connected to, and connect through your original router to the more distant console, and rename that console's inputs, too. This way there is no need to send an input list to FOH, the patchmaster can relabel both consoles. If you have judiciously set the consoles' IP addresses, you only need to change one digit to jump back and forth between consoles.

3) You could also use unused channels to communicate back and forth between FOH and Monitor World, with less need for Clear Com.

It would be even slicker if the app were redone to allow simultaneous connection to two consoles, or better, designation of a primary-connected console (in which all functions are accessible) and a secondary-connected console (in which only the naming function is accessible) so that the typing only needs to be done once and both consoles are then up-to-date.

This was our big discovery, and I hope it is useful to other people, too.

 

[Jeremy Honsman]

Re: old scenes

Hi Jeremy,

I see that you are already in good hands, Per has a sharp tongue and a sharp mind ~~:smile:
and to answer your question: We had no need for the backup USB stick, everything was there.

Have you checked the scene safe parameters on your console ?

Uwe I have not . Is it possible it changed after the update

 

[Mark Petersen]

Re: Handy Hints

X32 X-cessories. Coming to a mall kiosk near you. ~;-)~:wink:

Now THAT'S funny!!!
Thanks Aaron.

 

[Mark Petersen]

Re: X32 Discussion

Hello guys, i have a very simple concern that maybe somebody can help me verify... When using XiControl offline, if you link say ch 1 & 2, I expect ch 2 fader to follow ch1, but thay are kept independant, is this normal?

They link fine for me. What firmware &XiControl version are you running? Do you have wifi connection problems in general?

Oops! Sorry Josh... I just noticed you said you were in offline mode. You're right... It does the same to me in offline mode. I noticed that the adjacent fader shows as linked, but no actual fader movement linking. I'd guess you found a bug? Good luck...

 

[Bob Harvey]

S16 Full Manual ?

Yippee ... the two S16s arrived today and they work perfectly! Anyone need an analog snake? ~:-D~:grin:

Where is the Full Manual hiding?

The front of the Quick Start Guide says to "Check Out behringer.com for Full Manual".

Unfortunately, I've not been able to locate a full manual. It's not listed in the Documentation section.

 

[John Chiara]

Re: Feature Request (Effects)

While we're on the subject of feature requests, how about some true dual mono effects. For me, the devs could even just add the ability to run the existing dual effects in PARALLEL mode, as opposed to SERIES like they are now. When I do a long delay effect, I don't need a bunch of rev or chorus along with it. Now, I know on a couple of the effects units you can modify the ballance between, for instance, delay and chamber, so you'd only have delay in this case. But they still take up 2 effects slots for 1 effect. I mix alot of rock bands. I'd love to see a completely independant dual delay where I could run a 235ms slap with 10% feedback on channel 1, and a 775ms special with 85% feedback on channel 2. Think Billy Idol, Rebel Yell: "MORE......MORE..........MORE...........MORE...........more............more........."

Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks all,
Mark

I agree. I would really like a delay actually modeling the TC D2 rhythm tap delay. Fir 80's arena rock stuff...--ala Def Leopard... I love the D2.

 

[Chase McKnight]

Re: old scenes

Hi Dan,

I apologize your consoles still have monitor noise (presumably) and that the issue was not taken care of. I did in fact send the 16/32 noise re-work to Steve with Sound West Audio as that procedure fixes the monitor noise too.

I'll give you a call tomorrow and we can get your consoles fixed- one way or another!


Kind regards,

Chase McKnight
Jr. Admin, Technical Support
MUSIC Group

 

[Mark Petersen]

Re: Feature Request (Effects)

I agree. I would really like a delay actually modeling the TC D2 rhythm tap delay. Fir 80's arena rock stuff...--ala Def Leopard... I love the D2.

Considering there are a few old Lexicon "PCM" looking units in the X32 already (that is, top black - bottom blue scheme...), I'd settle for a PCM 80. Hell, even a Roland SDE-3000 would work! Anything to handle the big hair arena rock cover bands I mix. But yes, a D2 would be welcomed with open arms. 8)~~

 

[Dan Mortensen]

Re: old scenes

Hi Dan,

I apologize your consoles still have monitor noise (presumably) and that the issue was not taken care of. I did in fact send the 16/32 noise re-work to Steve with Sound West Audio as that procedure fixes the monitor noise too.

Hi Chase,

Apology accepted.

The 16/32 re-work doesn't fix the monitor noise problem as my consoles came in the "fixed" configuration and Steve verified that the one we looked at was in that state. Can you look at the pic and verify that the as-is placement of the cables matches the "after" of the 16/32 rework?

If so, it has to be something else. If not, then he saw something different than you.

Looking forward to talking with you, and thanks for the reply.

Dan

 

[Lance Richens]

Re: old scenes

OMG.Facebook now? Seriously?

A Tale of Two Mixers

 

[Josh Tamez]

Re: X32 Discussion

Thanks for the verification Mark... Im glad it does work when its online tough... Im still waiting for my console to come back from the Vegas repair center

They link fine for me. What firmware &XiControl version are you running? Do you have wifi connection problems in general?

Oops! Sorry Josh... I just noticed you said you were in offline mode. You're right... It does the same to me in offline mode. I noticed that the adjacent fader shows as linked, but no actual fader movement linking. I'd guess you found a bug? Good luck...