X32 Discussion

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

On each S16, how does one select which channels it will be i.e. the first one will need to be 1-16, the next one will need to be 17 - 32 etc. Presumably a configuration option in its menu? What happens if you plug in an S16 set to the same channels as one that's already connected? Will it tell you there's a conflict? Just ignore it?

Thanks!

Hi,
if you hook up the S-16 like this:

X32 AES50 output A---> S-16 No.1 AES50 A input-->S-16 No.1 AES50 B output-->S-16 No.2 AES50 A input and so on, there is nothing to care about. It sets up automatically. On the S-16 it self, you can choose, which outputs you want to have on the analog outs. Every S-16 can play out any Mixbus, you can choose in blocks of eight (f.e.1-8, 9-16). Default setting is Mixbus 1-8 out an the S-16. I don't have a S-16 here, so take this information with caution
Christian

 

[Sheriton Swan]

re: X32 Discussion

Thanks Christian. So for example if I wanted to put one S16 by the drumkit for backline which I wanted to be AES50 A1-16, one stage right (A17-32) and one stage left (A33 - 48), it's the order in which they're connected that determines which block of channels in the AES50 stream it sits in?

I'm thinking about possibilities at festivals where you could just drop one S16 on the drum riser and once it's rolled out on to stage just plug in one (or two) CAT5 cables and off you go - all channels appear where you expect them to.

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

No need to select channels. S-16 No. is always 1-16, S-16 No2. is 17-32 on so on. Therefore there won't be any conflicts.
Concerning outputs, look at this-->



Default setting is mixbus out 1-8. If you want the S-16 to play Mixbus out 9-16 f.e., push the "config" button, turn the Adjust enconder and the display will show 9-16. Done! This will instantly displayed with the LED next to the "OUT+8", or "OUT+16".

Christian

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

I was sure mr behringer mentioned something about delay compensation and that everything was compensated for unless you used hardware inserts?

It is probably a reference to the six jack outputs/inputs that can be used as analogue style inserts.

 

[Sheriton Swan]

re: X32 Discussion

OK, I understand the outputs now.

No need to select channels. S-16 No. is always 1-16, S-16 No2. is 17-32 on so on.

But what I'm still not clear on is how you determine which S16 is No.1, which is No.2 etc. I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious and easy here! Apologies for my slowness today ~~:smile:

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

OK, I understand the outputs now.



But what I'm still not clear on is how you determine which S16 is No.1, which is No.2 etc. I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious and easy here! Apologies for my slowness today ~~:smile:

No, I'm the idiot - my english sucks big time But I try again
S-16 are always daisy chained. So you layout your Cat5 cable from the Console AES50 out "A" and connected it with the AES50 "A" Input of a S-16. This S-16 is now your number 1! Now you use the AES50 "B" out of this S-16 and daisy chain a CAT5 cable into the next S-16 useing its AES50 "A" inputs. This S-16 is now number 2! And so on.
I hope you get the picture.
Christian

 

[Sheriton Swan]

re: X32 Discussion

Nothing wrong with your English! Thank you - that all makes sense now.

I'm now wondering what would happen if you plugged a third S16 in between the first two - seems like the original second one would then be renumbered so it becomes the third one, thereby messing up all the channel allocations on that one. Not a particularly likely scenario but I'm just trying to think of ways of tripping up the system. Perhaps a fun experiment for someone with access to three of them...

I'm going to have to start reading up on the AES50 spec to see what it's capable of.

 

[Frank Pajak]

re: X32 Discussion

I took a picture so it wouldnt look like photoshop

 

[Anders Karlsson]

re: X32 Discussion

Here is the Summary of the test in the Aug release of SOS:

Behringer X32 £2300
pros
• Impressive sound quality and technical performance.
• Astonishing value for money. • Comprehensive feature set with
excellent effects. • Sensible ergonomics and superb digital
‘scribble strip’ LCDs. • Three-year warranty. • Imminent remote control from iPad
and computer. • XUF computer interface with stable drivers
and low latency. • USB replay of only uncompressed audio!
cons
• Base sample rates only. • No external word-clock facilities (yet). • No S/PDIF or AES3 inputs. • USB replay not compatible with iPod or
compressed audio. • No SRC for USB replay (yet). • EQ reset only available via the main
display screen.
summary
The Behringer X32 is an astonishingly affordable but immensely powerful and well-built digital console that deserves to do very well. It will appeal most strongly to the live-sound and theatre markets, but has home studio applications too.

 

[Nick Davis]

re: X32 Discussion

Here is the Summary of the test in the Aug release of SOS:

Behringer X32 £2300
pros
• Impressive sound quality and technical performance.
• Astonishing value for money. • Comprehensive feature set with
excellent effects. • Sensible ergonomics and superb digital
‘scribble strip’ LCDs. • Three-year warranty. • Imminent remote control from iPad
and computer. • XUF computer interface with stable drivers
and low latency. • USB replay of only uncompressed audio!
cons
• Base sample rates only. • No external word-clock facilities (yet). • No S/PDIF or AES3 inputs. • USB replay not compatible with iPod or
compressed audio. • No SRC for USB replay (yet). • EQ reset only available via the main
display screen.
summary
The Behringer X32 is an astonishingly affordable but immensely powerful and well-built digital console that deserves to do very well. It will appeal most strongly to the live-sound and theatre markets, but has home studio applications too.

and the review concludes

"....the X32 is so well designed, built and priced that I'd say it's pretty much a no-brainer for a good many applications. The X32 should win the 'Best Product of 2012' award with considerable ease!"

( the test measurements performed by the SOS reviewer can be found here ).

 

[James Drake]

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There aren't any hardware inserts. This is a console with a 2.500,- EURO price tag, even Behringer can't implement anything. What are you missing, that you can't compensate with a digital plugin? The X32 will soon have 32 digital insert points, allowing you to use any digital plug that you like. You could use one or more mixbus outputs as hardware inserts, but this would be quite clumsy in my eyes.


Sorry, I don't get you here. I'm not a native speaker so I don't know, what you mean by this.
I was told, that Behringer will give access to everybody to the X32-OSC setup up. So you could you your iPhone or Android smart phone and remote control the X32 with f.e. TouchOSC.

wow! so surprised! will behringer be the first with an OSC enabled mixer?!

Christian

EDIT: Some helpful soul gave me a hint. You can use the six Aux in/outs as insert points. Just hook up your analog gear to these Aux TRS connectors and you can select/activate them in your channel "config" insert menue. The only donwside is the slight amount of latency (1 or 2ms in general) that comes along with that. Otherwise, this is a neat workaround in my eyes

so there ARE hardware inserts.

can you only use the six aux in/out, or can you use any analogue I/O pair as an insert? can you place an insert on any input, mix, bus or output?

 

[James Drake]

re: X32 Discussion

No, I'm the idiot - my english sucks big time But I try again
S-16 are always daisy chained. So you layout your Cat5 cable from the Console AES50 out "A" and connected it with the AES50 "A" Input of a S-16. This S-16 is now your number 1! Now you use the AES50 "B" out of this S-16 and daisy chain a CAT5 cable into the next S-16 useing its AES50 "A" inputs. This S-16 is now number 2! And so on.
I hope you get the picture.
Christian

this seems a bit of a shame.

i thought the point of aes50 "networking" is that you can just plug anything in you like in any order and then afterwards any channel is available to anyone, you just have to assign.

i thought maybe you could, for example, do an installation and put ten or twenty S16 boxes around the place and then just choose at the console which inputs to use.

earlier i think it was mentioned that you could have two x32 mixers connected directly together. and use the analogue i/o just on one on the mixers?

are there restrictions on the way you can connect things? what if you connect 3 consoles (x,y,z) and 3 S16 boxes (a,b,c):

X32(x) AES50 A <> S16(a) AES50 A
S16(a) AES50 B <> S16(b) AES50 A
S16(b) AES50 B <> S16(c) AES50 A
S16(c) AES50 B <> X32 AES50 A
X32 AES50 B <> X32(z) AES50 A

??

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

These are two different topics.
Of course on the console itself, you have access to every item within the AES network.
You can hook up, up to six S-16 and you can select your inputs to your likeing from all of them!
Christian

 

[James Drake]

re: X32 Discussion

These are two different topics.
Of course on the console itself, you have access to every item within the AES network.
You can hook up, up to six S-16 and you can select your inputs to your likeing from all of them!
Christian

in this case it is not possible for it to be simply "the first in the chain is 1-16 and the second is 17-32 etc".

of course the aes50 link is only 48 wide, so if you have six or more S16 boxes they must themselves send on the correct channels, or mute.

is this a thing where there are in fact settings on the S16 for routing of audio, but you can change them from the X32? what if you want to use the S16 boxes as remote mic amps and convertors without an X32?

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

A single desk can have 2x48 channels available, 48 on AES50-A and 48 on AES50-B. Three S16 daisy-chained on "A" and three on "B".
in addition you'll have the 32 channels on the board, so a whopping 128 channels to choose from. If you introduce extra X32s into the loop, not all of them can have the 96 S16 channels available if you want to send to the S16 outputs, then the consoles that have to route the outputs through will be restricted by the maximum of 48 going in one direction.

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

A single desk can have 2x48 channels available, 48 on AES50-A and 48 on AES50-B. Three S16 daisy-chained on "A" and three on "B".
in addition you'll have the 32 channels on the board, so a whopping 128 channels to choose from. If you introduce extra X32s into the loop, not all of them can have the 96 S16 channels available if you want to send to the S16 outputs, then the consoles that have to route the outputs through will be restricted by the maximum of 48 going in one direction.

Thanks Per, you hit the nail on the head

 

[Loren Aguey]

re: X32 Discussion

Hi Christian,

Thanks for all the info and patiently answering the endless barrage of questions. A couple more for you:

Earlier in the thread you were asked about stereo linking channels from different layers. I'm wondering, is there an option for a non stereo fader link like the Yamaha desks?

So if you're running aux fed subs can you link the sub aux master fader to the L/R master fader? Or is using a DCA the only option for maintaining sub/mains balance with one fader when using aux fed subs?

Also, although it seems unlikely I'd ever use all 16 omni outs, I'm curious can the master L/R be soft patched to the Monitor/Control room outputs on the console and still be controlled with the master fader?

 

[David Kelly]

re: X32 Discussion

Dear forum, would anyone be able to answer my question that I posted on page 21. Any help would be great.


" I am considering an x32 and P16 system for some portable recording and am wondering why would you use the P16 16 D. It takes in 16 channels and splits it 8 ways yes? How ever cant the P16 M be daisy chained to another? How many times could they be daisy chained?"

 

[alexanderdixon]

re: X32 Discussion

David,

I can help you with that one. You can daisy chain the p16-m's but they would each need to use the included power supplies. If you use the p16-d splitter them it will handle the power so no need for the external power supplies for each p16-m.

 

[John Chiara]

re: X32 Discussion

Hi Christian,

Thanks for all the info and patiently answering the endless barrage of questions. A couple more for you:

Earlier in the thread you were asked about stereo linking channels from different layers. I'm wondering, is there an option for a non stereo fader link like the Yamaha desks?

So if you're running aux fed subs can you link the sub aux master fader to the L/R master fader? Or is using a DCA the only option for maintaining sub/mains balance with one fader when using aux fed subs?

Also, although it seems unlikely I'd ever use all 16 omni outs, I'm curious can the master L/R be soft patched to the Monitor/Control room outputs on the console and still be controlled with the master fader?

Interesting different strokes scenario. I adjust the balance between subs and tops quite a bit as crowd density and locations change. I bump the subs up or down throughout most shows.