X32 Discussion

[John Rendell]

Re: Questions on operation of the X32

Thanks for in information. The confusion for me was that the S16 has a Ultranet out, so it appears it routes it via the AES50.

John

Per is right.

There is currently no ADAT to AES Behringer solution. KT do many format conversion devices. A cheaper option is to buy a second x32 instead of buying two s16 stage boxes. This way you can do a short FireWire connection to the stage desk and send aes50 from there to the FOH desk. This way you have a spare desk should something bad happens.

People seem to think just because ultra net and aes50 use the same type of cable that they are similar... they really are not.

 

[Nick Davis]

Re: Questions on operation of the X32

7. With no line in's on the X32, I will need a couple of DI boxes.

If you look at the SOS review Hugh Robjohns says the preamps present a relatively high input impedance and will "happily" accept line levels ( so a TRS to XLR connector may suffice!)

 

[Nick Davis]

re: X32 Discussion

Generation 2 Firmware

Since the X32 has first become available we have received tremendous feedback and many suggestions for new features. While many of these suggestions reflect personal preferences we are open to hearing any and all ideas and promise to consider each of them for future revisions. We are already planning the future addition of dedicated function lockouts, which is one of the suggestions we heard from several of you.

One of the most exciting new features that we are planning for the X32 is the inclusion of high-end FX “plug-ins” based on physical modeling of classic audio hardware. Our algorithm development engineers are essentially “rebuilding” classics from Neve, SSL, UREI and others into effects that will be included on the X32. Well-known and loved gear such as the LA-2A compressor, Lexicon reverbs, an SPL De-Esser and even the TC Finalizer multi-band compressor are on our list.

We are also working on some pretty amazing pitch shifting and pitch correction tools for the X32. Imagine pitch correction on every console and the power of what that will allow you to do in a live or recording environment. The best part is that these effects will be made available as part of a regular firmware update and hence will be free of charge to X32 owners! Our goal is to make the X32 a living platform for constant expansion and improvement.

Although I may be regarded as a Luddite - with such first class tools becoming available - I will again make the case for the incorporation of dynamic automation - especially with the hinted at future ability to record to a standalone HD!!

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

Seems like you need a little more time with the bus EQ ~:-D~:grin: , though maybe in a future firmware update, if you request hard enough ~~:smile:

Hi Uwe,

If this is measured:



The result isn't going to be a 4th order BW?

Instead, to reach a 4th order BW, you're saying I need to do a low-cut on L/R, then a low-cut on a matrix (and a PEQ, +3, 1.2), and then take the matrix signals out?

Eric H.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Questions on operation of the X32

Per is right.

There is currently no ADAT to AES Behringer solution. KT do many format conversion devices. A cheaper option is to buy a second x32 instead of buying two s16 stage boxes. This way you can do a short FireWire connection to the stage desk and send aes50 from there to the FOH desk. This way you have a spare desk should something bad happens.

People seem to think just because ultra net and aes50 use the same type of cable that they are similar... they really are not.

A second desk quickly starts to make sense if you are doing anything complicated, two S16 is already half way to a second X32.

About connecting over distance, USB repeaters are fairly inexpensive and should probably do the trick as long as the channel count is low. I would guess that 8/8 modus will easily allow for a 20 m USB extension.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

Re: Questions on operation of the X32

And is it possible to select multiple channels so that the faders move together?

I've linked adjacent channels (think L/R on a CD player). Haven't tried to link beyond that.

As one fader is physically moved, the linked fader will follow. There's a very-very slight lag, but nothing to be concerned about. Either fader can be moved. (It's not as though one is the master.)

As an aside…

If you have the master layer in Matrix, and try to move the 7[SUP]th [/SUP]fader, the fader will fight you to remain at 0. (I would guess that’s not too good for the fader. I would have thought it would have been better to let it “float” wherever.)

It will be very interesting to see how the Guitar Center demo boards hold-up. Floor equipment seems to take a beating.

Eric H.

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

Well, Dr. Thomas Zindt, kindly explained to me that it is in the spelling. The option is called "scene safe". If you tick a box, you put that item in the saFe, you don't saVe that item! Aha, so my English (as a dutchman) is refreshed again a bit.

Ah, now I get what the confusion is all about. It is actually quite easy to get it wrong when it is so easily pronounced the same way.

 

[Uwe Riemer]

re: X32 Discussion

Hi Uwe,



If this is measured:

View attachment 4680

The result isn't going to be a 4th order BW?

Instead, to reach a 4th order BW, you're saying I need to do a low-cut on L/R, then a low-cut on a matrix (and a PEQ, +3, 1.2), and then take the matrix signals out?

Eric H.

Now I see the problem, the editor seems to allow two low cuts in the bus EQ section, the console does not,
low band lets you toggle between low cut/ low shelve/ PEQ and VEQ,
high band between high cut/ high shelve/ PEQ/ VEQ,
the other bands only work as PEQ/VEQ, though of course this would be a nice feature request.
And even if this would work, two cascaded BW 2nd order will result in a 4th order LR,
with the same corner frequency Q-values of the filters can be multiplied :

0,707 ( BW ) x 0,707 ( BW ) = 0,5 ( LR )

or in other words Q=0,707 means 3dB down at corner frequency and Q=0,5 means 6dB down at corner frequency

Now dont ask about the Pros and Cons of BW/LR ~~:smile:

Uwe

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

Re: RMA'd

Dear E. Hill, I have forwarded you a private message so we can get the resolved quickly.

I wanted to thank Pat and several other individuals (who shall remain nameless, but very much appreciated) for their work in getting a replacement board to us this week.

Behringer is doing a very good job of working through problems. I appreciate their service, and the direction the company is moving in.

Eric H.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

Now I see the problem, the editor seems to allow two low cuts in the bus EQ section, the console does not,

At least on the ST (L/R) and M/C busses, it does. That's how I have it setup now.

I haven't measured the actual response, although I need to. I just copied the existing delay value for the subs. Or, rather, as closely as I could. The precision on the X32 delay is only one decimal place.

Eric H.

 

[Uwe Riemer]

re: X32 Discussion

At least on the ST (L/R) and M/C busses, it does. That's how I have it setup now.

I haven't measured the actual response, although I need to. I just copied the existing delay value for the subs. Or, rather, as closely as I could. The precision on the X32 delay is only one decimal place.

Eric H.

I see, the knobs under the screen let you do more things than the dedicated channel strip EQ section, kind of go advanced mode, cool.
Will try to measure it tomorrow, if there is time

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

I see, the knobs under the screen let you do more things than the dedicated channel strip EQ section, kind of go advanced mode, cool.

Oh, yes. I find myself "living" on the screen/push-encoders, I would say 90% of the time. But, I'm still in the "setup" phase. Once I get to the "mixing" phase, we'll see how much I use the "channel strip" vs. the screen/push-encoders.

Will try to measure it tomorrow, if there is time

Would be interested in the results.

Eric H.

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

At least on the ST (L/R) and M/C busses, it does. That's how I have it setup now.

I haven't measured the actual response, although I need to. I just copied the existing delay value for the subs. Or, rather, as closely as I could. The precision on the X32 delay is only one decimal place.

Eric H.

I think that it would not be an unreasonable request to have selectable slope lowcut and highcut filters on the ST and M/C busses, because tops on stereo utput and subs on mono output is very definitely mainstream. And since the typical application here would be exactly the x-over function, a selectable link function between the high cut filter on the M/C and the low cut filter on the ST would probably not be a bad idea either.

I would of course like the same selectable slope for the mix bus filters as well, since that would fit my particular application, but that is slightly less mainstream as I would also like the master fader to double as DCA9 when running multiple speaker setups with different mixes (double hang split between vocals and music, delays compensated for less stage sound, alternative room mixes or video/broadcast mixes compensated for no stage sound etc. etc. some applications less mainstream than others)

 

[Masao Yoshida]

re: X32 Discussion

Hi,

I have been trying to figure out how to set up the routing so that the Master (post-fader) bus is output to one of the Firewire card outputs... anyone?

Thanks

 

[Donald P Leaman]

re: X32 Discussion

Hi,

I have been trying to figure out how to set up the routing so that the Master (post-fader) bus is output to one of the Firewire card outputs... anyone?

Thanks

I think the analog input to FiWi channel output is strictly 1:1. I've tried to map other signals down the FiWi bus, to no avail. I'd really love it if we could pick and choose what rides the FireWire, but ultimately, this is a very minor inconvenience, at least for my use cases.

Hope tHis helps...

Don

 

[Mike Gibson]

re: X32 Discussion

A new version of the manual is on the Behringer site

http://www.behringer.com/assets/X32_P0ASF_M_EN.pdf

Thanks for this, I've downloaded off this link. I know tis s a little off topic but does anybody know why why I click on the link for the manual on the Behringer documentation web drop down I cannot get the manual to download. I am using Safari on a Mac with the PDF plugin installed. If I try this on my Windows PC it works fine?

Mike

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

Thanks for this, I've downloaded off this link. I know tis s a little off topic but does anybody know why why I click on the link for the manual on the Behringer documentation web drop down I cannot get the manual to download. I am using Safari on a Mac with the PDF plugin installed. If I try this on my Windows PC it works fine?

Mike

Same here! Download works for Windows, but it won't work on my MacBook with mountain lion...

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

I think the analog input to FiWi channel output is strictly 1:1. I've tried to map other signals down the FiWi bus, to no avail. I'd really love it if we could pick and choose what rides the FireWire, but ultimately, this is a very minor inconvenience, at least for my use cases.

Hope tHis helps...

Don

The XControl indicates that aux/mon is available for card output, but haven't tried it on the console.
The basic idea is that if something is indicated to be on the DSP patch in the block diagram, it should be available for patching anywhere, but for various reasons not every patch selection contains the full list.

 

[Uli Behringer]

re: X32 Discussion

MUSIC Group Research in Germany Expands

Dear all,

Over the past several months I have come to know many of you by your posts as true experts in pro audio. So when we decided to expand our world-class digital engineering team in Germany - the same team that has developed the X32 - I thought that I would reach out to you. We are currently recruiting for five important positions to join our already established digital mixer team and I am inviting you to spread the word or possibly even make a recommendation - or even apply yourself.

The first position is for two Senior Systems Engineers who will join the digital mixer team. The right person for this role will be fully conversant with modern DSP and FPGA hardware and firmware design, board layout and system troubleshooting and will work closely with the Software team to deliver functional solutions.

http://www.music-group.com/jobs/senior_engineer_systems_de.html

The other open position is for three Senior Software Engineers who will take ownership for all aspects of the design, development and improvement of our state-of-the-art digital audio systems.

http://www.music-group.com/jobs/senior_engineer_software_de.html

These positions will join the team that has been responsible for the X32 Digital Mixer, P16 Personal Monitor System and many other incredible products. They will also be the core of the engineering team that develops future products and systems that will take our digital audio, processing and networking roadmaps forward.

If you are one of the people we're looking for or you know of someone who would be a fit, then please refer them to the following job postings.

Thanks again for all your feedback and warm welcome.

Warm regards

Uli

 

[David Emery]

re: X32 Discussion

Same here! Download works for Windows, but it won't work on my MacBook with mountain lion...

I had that problem pre-Mountain Lion too. It seems none of the Behringer links work in Safari but they do on other browsers for Mac (i.e. Firefox)