X32 Discussion

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

It's hardly moot if Uli himself is asking the forum for suggestions so that Behringer can offer the products that the users want.

I was only referring to the discussion of physical inputs/outputs on the X32, not the discussion regarding a new product.

Eric H.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

tape 2 cat 5 lines (1 spare) to your snake and away you go

I did something like that once. Didn't work very well, over time. Without an outer jacked to encompass the entire bundle, the cables twisted differently over time.

I just keep cables on separate spools now.

YMMV.

Eric H.

 

[Jaap Geurts van Kessel]

re: X32 Discussion

Hello everyone. I'm following this thread for a while now and I purchased a x32 and p16 monitor system last week.

I'm test running it now but I ran into a problem and I hope you guys could help me a bit solving it.

I'm not getting any output from analog outputs 9-16 although my in/out meter window says it should. I hope I didn't get a defective mixer. I did a full factory reset then routed the main L/R mix to output 7-8 (and 15-16 which is standard) If I connect my speakers to 7-8 I get sound of I connect my speakers to output 15-16 I don't get anything.

I also routed input channel 1 (with a microphone attached) directly to ouput channel 16 and that also doesn't work although my meters screen says it should. The same goes for the other output channels ranging from 9-16.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I'm not an experienced user.

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I shouldn't reply my own question this fast. But this thread moves so quick that my question is already a page behind. Could anyone please tell me if I'm doing something wrong or do I really have a defective mixer?

Thanks!

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

I shouldn't reply my own question this fast. But this thread moves so quick that my question is already a page behind. Could anyone please tell me if I'm doing something wrong or do I really have a defective mixer?

If you don't get any responses, export the show to a USB thumb-drive, zip up the file, and upload it. I'll load it up next week, and tell you where the routing is wrong.

Make sure you've updated the board to the 1.08 firmware, though.

I was at GC this week, and went to demonstrate something to one of the guys. Their demo unit was on 1.02.

Eric H.

 

[Jaap Geurts van Kessel]

re: X32 Discussion

If you don't get any responses, export the show to a USB thumb-drive, zip up the file, and upload it. I'll load it up next week, and tell you where the routing is wrong.

Make sure you've updated the board to the 1.08 firmware, though.

I was at GC this week, and went to demonstrate something to one of the guys. Their demo unit was on 1.02.

Eric H.

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your reply. The mixer is totally in it's factory default settings and has the latest firmware (1.08). Didn't hook up any instruments yet. Just a microphone and a pc. Didn't route anything. Did a full factory reset. The mix-screen says there is output to the analog channels (see the photo I uploaded) There just isn't any signal.

I can't imagine that the default main outputs (15/16) won't work in it's default settings.

 

[Jeff Babcock]

re: X32 Discussion

In reality, it actually seems redundant to have the preamps on the back of the desk. If a digital snake option is available, it should be expected to be the only way to hook up the console. The snake boxes could go on stage or at FOH if required.

Who'd rather run a giant copper snake over cat5? Not me...

Not me either, but I bet that a large part of it is marketing the product to provide consumer comfort/familiarity.

While a digital snake/stagebox concept is nothing new to most users here, to the general public and to organizations with less knowledgeable operators, such a system is more foreign. I am confident that if they released the X32 as purely a control surface to integrate with S16's, that sales would be significantly less based on lack of familiarity with consumers to such an implementation style.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

Not me either, but I bet that a large part of it is marketing the product to provide consumer comfort/familiarity.

While a digital snake/stagebox concept is nothing new to most users here, to the general public and to organizations with less knowledgeable operators, such a system is more foreign. I am confident that if they released the X32 as purely a control surface to integrate with S16's, that sales would be significantly less based on lack of familiarity with consumers to such an implementation style.

Just put the inputs/outputs on cards (like the Firewire/USB). They could be removed from the X32 and put into an S16 shell. That would make some warranty work easier, too.

Ah, see the can of worms Uli has opened. ~~:smile: We're redesigning the X32.

This is part of the struggle that Behringer has to work through. This type of product is used (and marketed) to varied groups.

Eric H.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

I can't imagine that the default main outputs (15/16) won't work in it's default settings.

I've had some "head-scratchers" this past week. Last night, I had no monitor outputs after moving some DCA assignments around. I've had far more, "Oh, that's why!" moments, than "Oh, here's a bug or a problem."

We un-racked 9U of equipment recently. None of those dozens of cables went away, they're just traces on a PC board now, or code in software.

Eric H.

 

[Jaap Geurts van Kessel]

re: X32 Discussion

I've had some "head-scratchers" this past week. Last night, I had no monitor outputs after moving some DCA assignments around. I've had far more, "Oh, that's why!" moments, than "Oh, here's a bug or a problem."

We un-racked 9U of equipment recently. None of those dozens of cables went away, they're just traces on a PC board now, or code in software.

Eric H.

Well that's true. This is the first digital mixer I've ever used and I'm astounded just how many possibilities is has.

I've routed the signal from input 1 DIRECTLY to channels 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 8. No problems there. I get audio from all outputs. If I route it from input 1 DIRECTRY to 9,10,11,12,13,14,15 and 16 I don't get any signal although the visual in/out overview SAYS it does. I mean, that's not how it's supposed to work right? As I stated before: I'm using the mixer in it's absolute default settings. I haven't routed anything anywhere. (exept the routing stated above) There is no use in me uploading a zip cause I changed nothing to the mixer. Anyone can try it: Restore the x32 to factory defaults and check if output 15 and 16 actually work.

You can see it on the photo I've uploaded:
It shows output signal on output channels 7/8 (which I routed as a test) and output channels 15/16

If I connect speakers to output 7/8 I can hear sound. If I connect speakers to output 15/16 I cannot hear sound.

It's not exactly rocket-science. I'm starting to believe I'm doing nothing wrong here and the mixer is just defective.

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

Definitely sounds like that output board has lost the connection, so the fix is probably dead quick except you need to get it to a service centre.
I guess you have gone thru all the motions of muting and unmuting, reassigning, assigning and unassigning to mute groups and vca and all the other things you would do to free an overlooked assignment.
Not totally unrelated, it seems that most support calls on the Soundcraft Vii are traced to mute and vca assignments the user were unaware of the consequences of. Shouldn't really be the case after a factory reset though.

 

[Rob Spence]

It seems pointless spending all that money just so you don't have to carry another box with the snake inside it or lay the snake out. Of course, if you're pro and working all the time then the setup and teardown times will add up over a year.

Well it might make it possible to ft a rig in a smaller car? I like to eliminate boxes I need to move. I went digital several years ago for that reason.

Now, I would like to eliminate the analog snake. In fact, I have one of mine for sale.


On another topic, having the I/o modules be removable. The connectors and covers and guides would add a bunch of cost to a basic desk for what I perceive to be a small (compared to the x32 target) market.

I suspect lots of S16 boxes will be sold and I hope a second variation of the mixer with minimal local I/o will be produced. Perhaps they will even sell a cable kit for racking 2 S16s. Short Ethernet jumper and a power jumper.

With the S16, they have the basis for a X16RH model (to take some naming from Yamaha). Rack it and it replaces the 1604s and mixwizs while being expandable to 32 remote inputs.


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[Jaap Geurts van Kessel]

re: X32 Discussion

Definitely sounds like that output board has lost the connection, so the fix is probably dead quick except you need to get it to a service centre.
I guess you have gone thru all the motions of muting and unmuting, reassigning, assigning and unassigning to mute groups and vca and all the other things you would do to free an overlooked assignment.
Not totally unrelated, it seems that most support calls on the Soundcraft Vii are traced to mute and vca assignments the user were unaware of the consequences of. Shouldn't really be the case after a factory reset though.

Yeah, there are no mute groups assigned at the moment. Nor is anything else muted as far as I can think of. But like you say: it shouln't be the case after a factory reset. I can visually check that the signal is routed the right way because my in/out overview shows me bars. I thought I read somewhere that the mixer's in/outs are build in blocks of 8. So your suggestion that one output board has lost the connection seems very likely.

It's a shame, but I think I'm gonna contact the company that sold it to me.

 

[Rob Spence]

Yeah, there are no mute groups assigned at the moment. Nor is anything else muted as far as I can think of. But like you say: it shouln't be the case after a factory reset. I can visually check that the signal is routed the right way because my in/out overview shows me bars. I thought I read somewhere that the mixer's in/outs are build in blocks of 8. So your suggestion that one output board has lost the connection seems very likely.

It's a shame, but I think I'm gonna contact the company that sold it to me.

Have you called the customer care centre?


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[Kevin Hunter]

re: X32 Discussion

Well my console should be on its way to the UK on Monday ~:-D~:grin: so im playing around with xcontrol on my laptop to get familiar with it . Ive just noticed a bug in the software when assigning icons to the scribble strips.

Im trying to allocate the wedge c icon to mix bus 2 but it displays the wedge l icon instead . See the picture below.

Can someone check if it still does the same when connected to a real x32 ???



Thanks,

Kev

 

[MIKE ROAM]

re: X32 Discussion

Hello all...I have had my X32 for a few weeks now and have checking it out and putting it through it's paces before using it on gigs. So far, I'm very impressed with it's quality and feature set. The build quality and sound quality are very good. It seems though that I'm not able to save scenes to the USB drive. It seems like this should be possible to save your settings to use on another console as I plan to get a second X32 to use on monitors. Perhaps this functionality could be included on a firmware update. Mike

 

[Donald P Leaman]

re: X32 Discussion

Hello all...I have had my X32 for a few weeks now and have checking it out and putting it through it's paces before using it on gigs. So far, I'm very impressed with it's quality and feature set. The build quality and sound quality are very good. It seems though that I'm not able to save scenes to the USB drive. It seems like this should be possible to save your settings to use on another console as I plan to get a second X32 to use on monitors. Perhaps this functionality could be included on a firmware update. Mike

Try this:

Put a FAT formatted thumb drive in the top USB port on the X32
Hit the View button near the Scenes buttons
Now hit the Utility button by the screen
You should see an option to save your scenes to USB under one of the rotary encoders.

 

[Nick Davis]

re: X32 Discussion

I hear what you're saying but if you're on a limited budget and you already have a 'giant copper snake' then it makes sense to buy an X32 for £2,000.00 rather than an X32 for £2,000.00 AND a digital snake for £1,000.00. That's what I'll be doing.

Horses for courses: where a stage monitor console is required a sensible option to have two desks - but when running a smallish event with no monitor engineer then the S16 makes sense - plus the additional space required for transporting/storing another desk for us small guys ( X32 probably targeted at) - plus not having to carry long co-ax snakes - makes sense - ( though as I ( and also Rob) said in posts eons ago - shame that the desk architecture did not have a dockable/remote S16 instead of its built in I/0 - ie. the package of x32 and 2 x S16 may have been a bit cheaper than it is at it stands!).

By the way - ages ago you were uncertain about getting one until you had a detailed manual / demo desk to try - have you bitten the bullet! If not and you want to try one out first in action - hopefully I should have one pretty soon - PM me.

all the best

Nick

 

[MIKE ROAM]

re: X32 Discussion

Try this:

Put a FAT formatted thumb drive in the top USB port on the X32
Hit the View button near the Scenes buttons
Now hit the Utility button by the screen
You should see an option to save your scenes to USB under one of the rotary encoders.

Cool! ...thanks! I didn't see this in the manual...Mike

 

[Frank Pajak]

re: X32 Discussion

This is not anything new, Yamaha has two M7 flavors one with pres and one needing stage boxes, it probably makes since to give us both options down the road. I can see an x32 with pres at monitor world for patching and the non pre version driving FOH

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

And another thing, that I just mentioned is, that the USB Player makes a popping sound, when a playback track stops at it's end.

I have the same problem.

I extracted an album from a CD, and then up-sampled to 48k. The files are now 48k, 16-bit wav's.

Playing back from a USB thumb-drive, at the end of the track, there's crackling noise. Almost like an "intermittent mic cable" type sound.

The track plays ok on the computer.

This was with v1.08 of the firmware.

Eric H.